Obama presents NSA reforms with plan to end government storage of call data

Re:Obama presents NSA reforms with plan to end government st... by revscat on Friday January 17, 2014 @02:55PM (#7078035)

Then so be it.

Plenty of criminals have been caught using traditional detective work. No issues, here. Many FEWER criminals have been caught using blanket surveillance, and the cost to democracy is high.

I'd rather have the occasional bomber than the government having this kind of access.

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Re:Obama presents NSA reforms with plan to end government st... by mpyne on Friday January 17, 2014 @03:11PM (#7078136)

> Plenty of criminals have been caught using traditional detective work.

Yes, but that's on the other side of time's arrow. The whole point to counter-terrorism is to detect it and stop it before (not after) it has happened.

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Re:Obama presents NSA reforms with plan to end government st... by revscat on Friday January 17, 2014 @05:19PM (#7078845)

And that is the cost to living in a free society: occasionally you have to deal with violent assholes.

Again, I'd rather live in a society where the innocent are free and unmonitored than one which the NSA, etc., reign supreme. Counter-terrorism efforts are inherently anti-democratic and anti-freedom, despite protestations to the contrary.

Not interested.

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Re:Obama presents NSA reforms with plan to end government st... by Crito on Friday January 17, 2014 @03:20PM (#7078187)

Oh oh, while you are at it can you give us the "ticking bomb" justification of torture to? It's been a while since I've heard it; it's always worth a good laugh. I love ridiculous shit like this.

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