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Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by TallGuyShort on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @10:51AM (#7017890)
I've long been of the opinion that poor patenting (and/or an abdication of responsibility on the part of the parents) is a major contributing factor to an awful lot of society's ills...
Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by jahewson on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @12:11PM (#7018356)
Sometimes, but I doubt it is the real problem, as far as modern society goes. Look at the London riots, where parents were forcing their children to turn themselves in afterwards. I would ask instead if society is right to bombard everyone with constant reminders that they are undesirable if they are not wealthy, famous or good looking. What internal world view does this create for those effectively trapped at the bottom? A sense of self-worth? Unlikey.
Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by tyomero on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @11:49AM (#7018233)
Anyone who thinks parenting practices -other than the most extreme- shape behavior should think twice and look at the evidence. The blank slate by Steven Pinker might be a good starting point.

There's plenty of evidence that the effects of parenting are generally smaller than we would like them to be, again with a few exceptions.

Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @12:27PM (#7018453)
As you rightly point out extremes of Abuse and neglect have the most long lasting impacts on human development than nearly any other factor.

However even with those examples excluded, the amount of talking that a child is exposed to when in their developing years has significant impact on their long term development; see the "word gap" [1]. Not only that but nutritional environment (often based on parental choice) for the first 2-6 years has a massive impact on long term brain development [2].

So yes in fact parenting practices have a massive impact even when you exclude abuse and neglect.

[1] http://www.npr.org/2013/12/29/257922222/closing-the-word-gap...

[2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2018962/pdf/arch...

Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by bigfudge on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @12:09PM (#7018337)
Except that what many of us here would consider extreme are actually pretty common. Estimates for the prevalence of domestic violence and sexual abuse are difficult to measure accurately, but are conservatively > 10% in the population at large and much higher in the deprived communities which will be targeted by these laws.
Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by mercer on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @01:44PM (#7018970)
Having spent significant time of my youth in a bad neighbourhood (with awesome, stable parents though), and having spent much of my later life with people on the edges of society, I can confirm this. It's reached a point where I'm shocked to not eventually hear some awful stories about childhood of these people.
Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by mercer on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @01:42PM (#7018944)
From what I recall, Pinker makes no such assertion. Rather, he argues that we underestimate genetic effects and that while this is understandable from an ethical/political perspective, it is ultimately harmful.

In fact, I vaguely recall that on the issue of parenting he argued that genetics play a big role, but that so does parenting.

Basically, he's arguing that we factor in genetics more, not that we disregard parenting and social environment as a significant factor.

(but be sure to let me know if I'm wrong. It's been quite a while since I read The Blank Slate)

Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by kazagistar on Thursday January 09, 2014 @03:26PM (#7032951)
The idea that somehow it is reasonable to have any expectation that two random people who manage to have unprotected sex are able to be responsible parents is absurd. There are going to be troubled households, and it is up to the rest of us to take up responsibility.