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Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by r0h1n on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @05:27AM (#7016537)
Instead of attacking 1-2 cherry picked (and typical Monbiot) tangents from the article, it would be helpful if you'd point out if his representation of the new law is accurate or not.
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Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by mortov on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @05:42AM (#7016563)
"A fully referenced version of this article can be found at monbiot.com" suggests this is done already for those following the link.

If you do, he lists these :

References:

1. Anna Minton, ?2006. The privatisation of public space. The Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors. http://www.annaminton.com/Privatepublicspace.pdf

2. http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/media/articles/pdfs/a...

3. http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/pdfs/policy13/liberty...

4. http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/apr/17/protester-rec...

5. http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/pdfs/policy13/liberty...

6. http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/pdfs/policy13/liberty...

7. http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/antisocialbehavi...

8. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2013-20...

9. See also: http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/11/11/the-birth-of-a-po...

10. http://reformclause1.org.uk/files/opinion.pdf

11. http://www.theguardian.com/law/2013/dec/18/right-to-protest-...

12. By phone, 6th January 2013.

Various independent sources cited including Liberty - a well respected organization covering human rights issues in the UK. And of course, Parliament's own official publications of the bill.

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Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by gaius on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @05:49AM (#7016584)
Of those only 7 and 8 can be considered valid. Liberty, whether you agree with them or not (on some issues I do, on some I don't) no-one can deny is a lobbying group with an agenda. And I am pretty sure even Wikipaedia frowns on using Wikipaedia as a reference, why does the Guardian get a free pass to reference the Guardian? Scriptonite is just some guy's blog!
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Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by Xylakant on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @06:14AM (#7016658)
Why can't references to (allegedly) biased source be references? Every author has an agenda, knowingly or unknowingly. Unless they referenced papers are false or lie they still may reference facts that allow you to form your own opinion - just don't take every conclusion at face value. At least the author provides you with the references so you can go an check for yourself.

Also: Why are you excluding reference 1? It's a paper written for the RICS, which is an institution of the royal charter. They probably have their own agenda, but I'd not expect them to publish false information.

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Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by callum85 on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @06:07AM (#7016632)
There's nothing wrong with an article referencing something from another article in the same paper. It doesn't count as a circular reference if the articles are by separate, identifiable authors. Wikipedia needs stricter citation rules because it's harder to verify authorship.
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Re:At last, a law to stop almost anyone from doing almost an... by danjordan on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @06:02AM (#7016618)
Why isn't there a service that overlays references on articles instead of having to search for them?
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