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Re:Edward Snowden, Whistle-Blower by guelo on Thursday January 02, 2014 @11:55AM (#7000552)
That snooping at a room at AT&T became part of a lawsuit that threatened to reveal more about the wiretapping program but it was squashed by congress, including Obama, when they voted to give AT&T and other telecoms that broke the law at Bush's behest retroactive immunity.

Not sure what your point is as to how that relates to Snowden.

Re:Edward Snowden, Whistle-Blower by ihsw on Thursday January 02, 2014 @12:20PM (#7000718)
The point is Snowden's revelations made headlines, and Room 641A didn't. The lionization of Snowden is baffling when it was already well-known.

Personally I disagree with the parent quite strongly -- the recent revelations made it quite clear that the NSA's data hoovering is making the State Department into a frivolous formality. Diplomacy is irrelevant when you already know the internal political structure of your allies/adversaries, and it takes 'real politik' to the extreme (like playing a game of poker with the cards revealed to a powerful few). The loss of privacy in diplomatic correspondence is a far greater blow to the peace of the world than the revelation of your torrid love affairs or your weak financial integrity.

Re:Edward Snowden, Whistle-Blower by rpgmaker on Thursday January 02, 2014 @01:17PM (#7001107)
It didn't make the headlines Snowden's leaks have generated but it was news and anyone interested in civil liberties at the time knew about it when it came out, I know I did and any follower of Greenwald before he became "mainstream" knew about it (even if it was a little bit later). I don't know what your complain is here. The fact that this specific part of the leaks was known doesn't diminish what Snowden did one bit. If anything it increases it's importance.
Re:Edward Snowden, Whistle-Blower by Karunamon on Thursday January 02, 2014 @10:34PM (#7003991)
Exactly. I think just about everyone knew that "the government" spies on people. It has divisions dedicated to that exact purpose. This was public knowledge.

But, much like war, when people are fully informed, that tacit acceptance goes south. When people realize that "some unelected, uanccountable government employee has access to my phone calls and my emails including the ones to my (lover/bookie/doctor)", or put another way, "The government spies on ME" that is a much more powerful thought than just "Eh, the government spies on people".

Re:Edward Snowden, Whistle-Blower by saraid216 on Thursday January 02, 2014 @06:00PM (#7003001)
> The lionization of Snowden is baffling when it was already well-known.

It's because Snowden made for a good messiah. Better PR trumps good journalism.

Re:Edward Snowden, Whistle-Blower by zhengyi13 on Thursday January 02, 2014 @06:49PM (#7003250)
Really? You think the lionization doesn't come from the incredible personal risk he took to bring forward incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing on a massive scale by very powerful people?
Re:Edward Snowden, Whistle-Blower by saraid216 on Thursday January 02, 2014 @07:19PM (#7003419)
You ask that as if it wasn't what I said.
Re:Edward Snowden, Whistle-Blower by noselasd on Friday January 03, 2014 @08:07AM (#7005213)
> The lionization of Snowden is baffling when it was already well-known.

No it wasn't. It was well suspected by a few. Snowden provided hard evidence which each and everyone could see. To many, if not most ordinary americans, that is a huge difference.