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Re:Dual_EC_DRBG backdoor: a proof of concept by andreyf on Wednesday January 01, 2014 @02:58PM (#6996310)
Can't you say the same thing about SSL keys? One leak away and every gmail account can be MITM'd.
Re:Dual_EC_DRBG backdoor: a proof of concept by klausa on Wednesday January 01, 2014 @03:29PM (#6996454)
SSL certificates can be revoked.
Re:Dual_EC_DRBG backdoor: a proof of concept by csandreasen on Wednesday January 01, 2014 @08:04PM (#6997628)
and the Dual_EC_DRBG specs allow for the user to supply their own values for P and Q (much like the author did). NSA only provides the default.
Re:Dual_EC_DRBG backdoor: a proof of concept by brianpgordon on Thursday January 02, 2014 @09:28AM (#6999680)
TLS provides forward secrecy though, so leaking the SSL keys doesn't mean anything for those exabytes of recorded transactions the NSA is presumably saving for a rainy day. If the secret keys for the default Dual_EC_DRBG configuration are leaked, aren't there more serious implications?
Re:Dual_EC_DRBG backdoor: a proof of concept by csandreasen on Friday January 03, 2014 @06:20PM (#7008949)
Dual_EC_DRBG is a pseudo random number generator, so if it's compromised you could use the internal state to recreate the sequence of pseudo random digits from that point forward. SSL/TLS is protocol which incorporates a suite of algorithms for authentication, key exchange and encryption. So on that level, like the sibling comment mentions, they aren't really comparable. The part of the SSL/TLS protocol that really depends on the certificate is the authentication, though - Diffie Helmann can be done in the clear without compromising its security, and once you've established the key any algorithm can be used to encrypt. When you revoke a certificate, you're essentially saying that you suspect someone else may be able impersonate you on the internet, so don't trust anyone authenticating with it. The algorithm is secure, but the certificate is not.

The point I was trying to make is that if you suspect someone has compromised your certificate, you can revoke it to reestablish secure communications. If you suspect your random number generator has been compromised, you can likewise just change the configuration (assuming it's not hardcoded into some piece of cryptographic equipment).

Re:Dual_EC_DRBG backdoor: a proof of concept by andreyf on Friday January 03, 2014 @05:37AM (#7004833)
Yes, the comparison was faulty.