Re:0^0 = 1, 0, Undefined?
by profquail on Saturday July 11, 2009 @04:22PM
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This article is totally wrong. 0^0 = 1 because it is defined by a group operation, not by "multiplying 0 by itself 0 times". It has to do with combinatorics or set theory (there are different ways to look at the problem):
Re:0^0 = 1, 0, Undefined?
by jibiki on Saturday July 11, 2009 @10:08PM
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> Reals form a group under multiplication.
I think his point was that 0 has no inverse. So in the literal sense, the reals are not a group under multiplication (although obviously, when somebody says "the reals are a group under multiplication", one usually interprets it as "R\{0} is a group under multiplication".)
This is vaguely relevant to the issue at hand because we are doing 0 to the 0.
Re:0^0 = 1, 0, Undefined?
by MikeMKH on Sunday July 12, 2009 @01:21PM
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Could you get every branch of Mathematics to agree to that? I think not. I was actually coming at it from the 2nd part of Source 1 (I first thought about it during my Real Analysis class) "The limits are all different so clearly no single value of 0 ^ 0 can be defined as the limit for every case".
Source 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponentiation#Zero_to_the_zero...
Source 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_product
'Multiplying 0 by itself 0 times' is what Wikipedia calls 'empty product'. For me is is good intuition, but that's a matter of taste.
AFAIK the usual convention is:
* in contexts where the exponent is varying continuously and a is a real number, a^b is undefined for a=b=0
* in contexts where the exponent is varying discretely (as an integer/natural number), a^b = 1 for b=0 and any a
Haskell quite nicely distinguishes between these two:
(^) :: (Num a, Integral b) => a -> b -> a
(* * ) :: (Floating a) => a -> a -> a
but it still gives 0 * * 0 and 0^0 as 1. (There shouldn't be spaces between asterisks, HN treats them as italics)
I think his point was that 0 has no inverse. So in the literal sense, the reals are not a group under multiplication (although obviously, when somebody says "the reals are a group under multiplication", one usually interprets it as "R\{0} is a group under multiplication".)
This is vaguely relevant to the issue at hand because we are doing 0 to the 0.