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Re:Why everyone should use Safari for rich web development by Maciek416 on Thursday July 09, 2009 @09:44AM (#695835)
I really want to use Safari for debugging but every time I get down to trying to do so, I find some irritating hangup in terms of clunkiness and polish versus Firebug, and I end up heading right back to Firebug. Two things off the top of my head:

1) console output is just not as good as Firebug. Example: try going on jquery.com and doing console.log($("p")). Instead of a pretty printed array with styled items as in Firebug in the form of <p>, with all their classes and ids and visibility status hinted in the rendering, you get an expandable HTMLParagraphElement object (and its name doesn't even respond to a click..). If you expand that, the first thing you see is a big list of DOM constants like DOCUMENT_FRAGMENT_NODE: 11, etc. In Firebug these are sorted, filtered, censored to fit to the way web developers actually work.

2) I've never been able to resize the Console/Debugger when displayed as a split pane in the Windows version. In OS X, it seems to work, but in Windows, nothing. Again, a huge irritant when you're trying to get a better look at something that's gone wrong.

Nit picks? Yes. But some of us work with these things many hours a day. Workflow issues and missing little details like these prevent my uptake of the otherwise very impressive developer tools in Safari.

Re:Why everyone should use Safari for rich web development by jpcx01 on Friday July 10, 2009 @03:25AM (#697255)
I totally agree. These small issues have also caused me to drop Safari dev tools in favor of Firebug.