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Re: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke by mjblack on Monday December 23, 2013 @09:36AM (#6954408)
Paperless billing still has a bill that you can print out, it just means that you wont be mailed a statement every month.
Re: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke by jzwinck on Monday December 23, 2013 @09:53AM (#6954507)
The UK immigration authority does not recognize printed online statements. I had to print 100 pages from my bank's website, take the paper to my bank branch, and have each page stamped by the bank to make it "original." This is a true story.
Re: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke by JTon on Monday December 23, 2013 @11:49AM (#6955138)
Painful. I suppose online statements are too easy to counterfeit? It's a shame the bank couldn't provide authenticated documents to you as a automated service.
Re: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke by michaelt on Monday December 23, 2013 @09:49AM (#6954486)
Documents produced on a home printer are meaningless for identity or address verification. Anyone can open the PDF in inkscape and make it say any name, address or date they like.

Isn't it more fraudulent to give the bank home-made documents than to give them nothing? At least when you give then nothing you're being honest about what you're giving them.

Re: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke by arjie on Monday December 23, 2013 @10:00AM (#6954553)
Yeah, but that modification is forgery and fraud. In all honesty, I could probably replicate a paper bank statement by doing the same thing. The crime is in the manipulation.

As for me, I continue to print out bank statements on university printers and have everyone from embassies to landlords accept them.

No one I've met believes that going to your bank's website and printing out the PDF they give you is fraudulent.

Re: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke by thisone on Monday December 23, 2013 @10:17AM (#6954637)
I was on the phone to British Gas complaining that I suddenly stopped receiving paper statements. The agent on the phone got really helpful all of a sudden when I told him I needed the paper bills for proof of identity.

Turns out he had just gone through the whole debacle himself. He had to show a bank statement, but he only has an online account. Went to the bank to get a statement printed and stamped, and whoever he went to turn it in to still refused it because it hadn't been mailed.

Personally, I don't want to give the BA any easy reason to reject my visa applications, I get all the mailed proof of address I can.

Re: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke by jasomill on Tuesday December 24, 2013 @03:33AM (#6958737)
Chase in the US rejected my recently expired US passport as secondary ID, but accepts my non-expired Indiana vehicle registration, a document laser-printed on ordinary copy paper at the BMV with no graphical elements other than form boxes that'd be trivial to counterfeit. So it's probably safe to say that "difficulty to counterfeit" is not a criterion for secondary ID at Chase (nor, apparently, is mismatched mailing address, because my vehicle isn't registered at the address on my primary ID).
Re: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke by talmand on Monday December 23, 2013 @10:28AM (#6954695)
Wow, I guess you just proved all those people saying they couldn't get such papers accepted are clearly lying because you've never had a problem.

The fact that they are so easily manipulated is the reason they are most often not accepted as proof of identification, regardless of criminal law. It could be totally legal and it would be in the best interests of banks/businesses to not accept them due to possible liabilities.

Re: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke by maaarghk on Monday December 23, 2013 @10:53AM (#6954841)
Used to work in retail, sold credit obo Barclays bank - we were told not to accept printed copies of bank statements but I heard stories of people asking customer to log into online banking live.
Re: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke by greghinch on Monday December 23, 2013 @10:38AM (#6954758)
It's mostly just bureaucratic ceremony and British strict rule-following
Re: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke by dingaling on Monday December 23, 2013 @10:08AM (#6954592)
Usually those statements or bills have a lovely big DUPLICATE watermarked across them which invalidates them for identification purposes.