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Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by corresation on Friday December 20, 2013 @01:21PM (#6942996)
The nature of the laws would have to change significantly as the court found the entire foundation behind the laws (largely moralizing/restricting the actions of others based upon personal values) unconstitutional. The government can't simply move a couple of punctuation marks and become compliant.
Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by patmcc on Friday December 20, 2013 @03:03PM (#6943612)
Actually they can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_Thirty-three_of_the_Can...

Parliament can specifically say "we know this law is unconstitutional, but we like it anyway, so it's staying for 5 years. And then we can renew it if we want." They may not want to do that, as it's a pretty strong thing to do, but they are absolutely able to.

Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by throwaway2048 on Saturday December 21, 2013 @06:32AM (#6946437)
I must say its rather amusing to see the very American style hyper legalistic logic applied to most parliamentary democracies. According to the very letter of the law, the queen could become absolute ruler over Canada aswell :).

All hail Empress Elizabeth II, terror of all the known world?

Laws and customs only mean as much as a government willing to be responsible to the people, as the NSA has shown everyone.

Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by yareally on Saturday December 21, 2013 @12:19PM (#6947189)
> I must say its rather amusing to see the very American style hyper legalistic logic applied to most parliamentary democracies

You would be quite mistaken to believe such hyper-legalistic logic only came into existence with The United States. The US only built on the myriad of legalese already put in place by the British, Byzantines[1], Romans, and Greeks, <insert dominate culture/country of the era>.

How do you think Julius Caesar came to power? He abused the laws put in place by the Roman Republic by refusing to step down at the end of his term.

[1] The Byzantines themselves[2] have become synonymous with "complex political system"

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantinism

Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by aclevernickname on Sunday December 22, 2013 @03:01PM (#6951479)
> According to the very letter of the law, the queen could become absolute ruler over Canada aswell :). All hail Empress Elizabeth II, terror of all the known world?

You are more correct than you could ever possibly imagine.

Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by jrockway on Friday December 20, 2013 @11:17PM (#6945732)
And the Queen of England can dissolve the parliament. It's a pretty strong thing to do, but she is absolutely able to.
Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by beedogs on Saturday December 21, 2013 @12:30AM (#6945899)
The precedent for this was set in Australia in 1975, and certainly other places before that.
Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by redcap on Saturday December 21, 2013 @02:33AM (#6946090)
The dismissal of parliament in 1975 Australia was done by the Governor-General, who is the Queen's representative in Australia.

The Queen herself did nothing.

Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by mseebach on Saturday December 21, 2013 @06:16AM (#6946415)
That's a semantic difference. The Governor-General acts on behalf of the Queen, and holds the perogative of the monarch in the dominion.
Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by jacques_chester on Saturday December 21, 2013 @10:40PM (#6949234)
> That's a semantic difference.

It certainly is. The syntax of the Australian Constitution sits firmly within British conventions of monarchical behaviour, buttressed by the Acts of Westminster and the Australia Acts.

We are an independent nation in custom and law. If Her Majesty tried to do anything, she would be ignored. If she sued, the High Court would politely explain that her role is entirely ceremonial and that Parliament is the supreme source of executive and legal power in Australia.

The principle that Parliament is supreme over Crown was established in British law before Australia was colonised. It's pretty well-accepted at this point that the royals have no power.

Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by mseebach on Monday December 23, 2013 @02:41PM (#6956120)
Not sure where you're going with this? The Queen did dissolve parliament and wasn't ignored?
Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by jacques_chester on Monday December 23, 2013 @11:53PM (#6958280)
The Queen did not dissolve Parliament. (Neither did the Governor-General during the Whitlam dismissal.)

The Queen has never, and cannot, do so in right of Australia, because her powers are irrevocably and excludably delegated to the Australian Governor-General.

In terms of dissolving any Parliament nominally under her sovereignty, it can only be done by the Queen or a Governor-General upon advice. The Queen can't do it of her own initiative. Neither can the Governor-General. They have to be told to do it by the Government of the day.

Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by fleitz on Saturday December 21, 2013 @02:49AM (#6946122)
Technically she can't, she'd have to do it as the Queen of Canada :)
Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by rmc on Saturday December 21, 2013 @10:11AM (#6946824)
Good point. She's also not the Queen of England any more anyway.
Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by corresation on Friday December 20, 2013 @03:17PM (#6943695)
Use of the incredibly contentious notwithstanding clause is in no way moving some punctuation marks: It is an extraordinary action, having never been used by the federal government. So no, in the context of what I said they can't.
Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by patmcc on Friday December 20, 2013 @03:30PM (#6943785)
From a political standpoint, absolutely it's extraordinary; from a legal standpoint it's relatively simple, just needing a majority vote. I'd be very surprised if they did invoke it, but prostitution is something a lot of Canadians (especially conservatives) feel pretty strongly about.

(And mainly, I was just trying to bring up an interesting legal quirk of our constitution, since it's fairly unusual and most of HN's audience might not be aware of it).

Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by RyanMcGreal on Friday December 20, 2013 @02:01PM (#6943270)
Due to the Court's reasoning - i.e. if prostitution is legal, it violates people's rights to prevent them from taking steps to protect their safety while engaging in it - I predict the government will react by making prostitution itself illegal.
Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by PeterWhittaker on Friday December 20, 2013 @05:03PM (#6944383)
Perhaps, but that possibility has long been in its arsenal: Prostitution has been legal in Canada for years, decades; this court ruling overturned as unconstitutional the laws criminalizing many associated activities, e.g., solicitation, living off the avails, etc.

It was illegal to talk to a John, making vetting the John uh, difficult. It was illegal to hire bodyguards, because they would be living off the avails.

While the ruling comes into effect only next year, the practical upshot, as with other rulings of this ilk in recent years, is that arrest and prosecution will now proceed only in the most egregious cases.

My bold and brave prediction is that this Conservative-majority Parliament will duck the issue altogether and make regulation of prostitution a provincial matter - simply because they are unlikely to be able to reach any sort of consensus that would not fracture a fragile alliance between the ultra-conservative base, which makes most of the contributions, and the just right of centre centrists that are its silent majority.

Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by RyanMcGreal on Monday December 23, 2013 @07:24AM (#6953962)
> My bold and brave prediction is that this Conservative-majority Parliament will duck the issue altogether

I hope you're right. What you've proposed is likely the best we could expect from this government.

Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by VladRussian2 on Friday December 20, 2013 @04:28PM (#6944156)
>The nature of the laws would have to change significantly as the court found the entire foundation behind the laws (largely moralizing/restricting the actions of others based upon personal values) unconstitutional.

following that logic most laws would be unconstitutional.

Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by chebucto on Friday December 20, 2013 @04:36PM (#6944215)
examples, please
Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by jsmeaton on Friday December 20, 2013 @11:53PM (#6945819)
I would imagine some examples would be:

- personal drug use (of any kind) - bans on same-sex marriage (which I just looked up, and seems to be legal in Canada anyway) - any form of gun control

I'm not saying that I do or do not think the above should be legal, but they all are examples of "we know what's best for you". I think that's what the GP commenter was alluding to.

Re:Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on pro... by throwaway2048 on Saturday December 21, 2013 @06:46AM (#6946456)
all of these have been ruled unconstitutional by the Canadian supreme court at one point or another.