It's funny how you peg the Chinese industrial spying as very clear-cut and obviously malevolent, but grasp at straws to justify the Pertobas spying as somehow motivated by good-guy American trying to bust some organized crime ring.

Show me the slides I want to see the evidence myself. All I am seeing now is the words of various reporters.

I am trying to grasp at something that would justify it. Its beyond belief that they are actually doing this. Who's the good guys in this world or are the "people" the only good guys left?

"The worst blind is the one who doesn't want to see"

In all the snowden leaks, there are documents to prove what they are saying; go to the guardian, or try to see if theres any attachment somewhere..

It would be very difficult to find something "in the cloud"; cause it would probably be under takedown (people could get into prison or even killed without notice just by porting some of those pen-drives or sd cards.. see David Miranda case in the UK for example)

The nefarious mix of government and corporations into one homogeneous body its pretty well know at least outside of US, and its the reason why governments who dont want to have that sort of relationship, are labeled as outliers ..

to be clear all governements do concessions to companies here and there, but in the US the thing its pretty scary; with the power of the lobby groups have into the politicians decisions

This is one of the greatest threat of the XXI century in the same way facist ideology movements were in the XX century..

If even the governement moves toward profits of its companies, what the future will bring to the population that do not fit in that plan? .. citizenship could be reduced to people being mere tools for profit..

Dystopic? yeah.. but just let the Koch brothers and people like them, take the power to see if this would not happen..

About the slides, on some of the other reports they provided pictures of the slides. On the petrobas article no slides were provided.

> Who's the good guys in this world or are the "people" the only good guys left?

Staat heißt das kälteste aller kalten Ungeheuer. Kalt lügt es auch; und diese Lüge kriecht aus seinem Munde: "Ich, der Staat, bin das Volk."

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State is the name of the coldest of all cold monsters. Cold it lies, too; and this lie crawls out of its mouth: "I, the state, am the people."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche

There are no good-guy nation states. It's only propaganda that has led you to believe otherwise.

Petrobras is one of the largest NOCs and one of the biggest trends in the oil & gas industry has been the shift in power from multinational oil companies like Shell and BP to national oil companies like Petrobras and Sinopec.

As you can imagine, the balance of obligation of national oil companies leans in favor of the governments which they represent over shareholders, making the pursuit of profit a lesser factor when political issues are at play.

No Petrobras has no known ties to organized crime. However if you were to ask a Brazilian citizen, they may think otherwise since we consider many of our politicians to be as corrupt as professional crime organizations. Then again, as a US permanent resident, I consider our politicians here to be as corrupt as the Brazilian ones. The Brazilian politicians steal while in office, while American politicians have institutionalized corruption by setting up a system where they get paid back indirectly after leaving office for all the favors they did while in office.

So to answer your question, some would say both the NSA and Petrobras have ties to organized crime, or, more accurately, institutionalized crime.

Secret handshakes and back alley deals...who are the politicians really here for the "people" or the lobbyists. My own views of my Govt are getting tainted more and more each day.