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Re:An Open Letter to Sheryl Sandberg from a Twenty-Something... by exelius on Thursday December 19, 2013 @01:04PM (#6936391)
"Lean in" in my mind is about playing the bullshit political games. Your twenty-something male co-workers? They have the same insecurities and reservations as you do. But the system works better for them because the people at the top are more often than not men. So the only way women are going to be able to re-shape the system in a way that works better for women is to put up with the obnoxious bullshit politics for a while.

I'm not saying that I agree with her; and tech is far worse than most other industries about being male-dominated. Really, the bullshit workaholic culture at many companies is the root of the problem, but it's something that varies on a company-by-company basis.

Re:An Open Letter to Sheryl Sandberg from a Twenty-Something... by zorpner on Thursday December 19, 2013 @01:13PM (#6936471)
> So the only way women are going to be able to re-shape the system in a way that works better for women is to put up with the obnoxious bullshit politics for a while.

It may be true in some circumstances that it will be possible for a specific individual to get further ahead by participating in a bad/sick/oppressive/etc system, but advising women that if they just participate in the patriarchy for awhile, and work really hard, they'll succeed, is not an acceptable message. It perpetuates the problem rather than moving to solve it.

It's like advising people who are concerned about our lack of choice in politics to shut up & vote, rather than to work to reform /how/ we vote.

Re:An Open Letter to Sheryl Sandberg from a Twenty-Something... by makomk on Thursday December 19, 2013 @01:20PM (#6936527)
I have never met any person who isn't somehow perpetuting the patriarchy, nor seen evidence any they exist - not even amongst radical feminists.
Re:An Open Letter to Sheryl Sandberg from a Twenty-Something... by carriemelissa on Thursday December 19, 2013 @01:48PM (#6936787)
BAM! Yes!
Re:An Open Letter to Sheryl Sandberg from a Twenty-Something... by carriemelissa on Thursday December 19, 2013 @01:34PM (#6936648)
"So the only way women are going to be able to re-shape the system in a way that works better for women is to put up with the obnoxious bullshit politics for a while." - I'm sorry... WHAT?

No. That's the whole point of this article. The bullshit is bullshit. Let's cut it out.

Re:An Open Letter to Sheryl Sandberg from a Twenty-Something... by enraged_camel on Thursday December 19, 2013 @01:42PM (#6936723)
Sometimes the only way to change the system is from the inside because your influence on the system is directly proportional to how seriously the system's leaders and participants take you.

This is especially true in this case. You don't have the option of not participating and instead trying to change the system from the outside, because doing so directly harms your income and therefore livelihood.