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Re:Death of the whiz kid: Robert Strange McNamara, 1916-2009. by noonespecial on Tuesday July 07, 2009 @03:18AM (#691079)
When I make a serious career level mistake in judgment, software projects might fail. Someone might even lose their job. When people of certain levels make the same order of errors, many people may die. We're both human. I haven't the fortitude to make those decisions (even if I was in the position to), but someone has to and sometimes they are wrong.

Some of them hang banners on aircraft carriers and pretend they are right anyway. Some of them humbly admit they were wrong. The people still die. Bummer.

Re:Death of the whiz kid: Robert Strange McNamara, 1916-2009. by jacquesm on Tuesday July 07, 2009 @03:38AM (#691095)
You both own your mistakes, you own yours, mcNamara owns his.

I give the man props for genuinely being sorry but that does not absolve him from the damage that he's done. I'd hate to have been in his shoes though, I can't imagine what that kind of guilt would do to your nights rest.

Re:Death of the whiz kid: Robert Strange McNamara, 1916-2009. by TriinT on Tuesday July 07, 2009 @03:36AM (#691094)
So, you're comparing a software error to the act of initiating aggression and killing millions of people, including 58K of your countrymen????

If so, you need to put things in perspective, imho.

Re:Death of the whiz kid: Robert Strange McNamara, 1916-2009. by mhansen on Tuesday July 07, 2009 @03:49AM (#691108)
I think he was aiming at contrasting the two.
Re:Death of the whiz kid: Robert Strange McNamara, 1916-2009. by TriinT on Tuesday July 07, 2009 @03:53AM (#691111)
I get that. But imho it's a tiny bit distasteful contrasting them, isn't it?

The total number of Vietnamese who were killed was to the tune of 3 million. That's a "semi-Holocaust". No one would compare a software glitch to the Holocaust, right?

Re:Death of the whiz kid: Robert Strange McNamara, 1916-2009. by noonespecial on Tuesday July 07, 2009 @04:11AM (#691130)
Ok, let me put the right hand brace on this one before it gets away. My point was simply that humans are going to make mistakes in the course of their jobs. People can be hurt by these mistakes. The difference is a matter of scale, and not intent.

People want to make McNamara out to be Evil with the big e. I think he probably wasn't. His actions later in life point to this. The idea is that if we accept that people make mistakes (sometimes HUGE ones) we can prevent a few of them in the future by learning from the past. If we'd really listened to McNamara its quite possible we might have avoided Iraq. If we just call him evil and forget about it, we miss the wisdom.

Re:Death of the whiz kid: Robert Strange McNamara, 1916-2009. by TriinT on Tuesday July 07, 2009 @04:21AM (#691139)
I entirely agree that one should try to learn from the past. I disagree on the "scale x intent" issue, though. The initiation of aggression is immoral, in my view. Attacking someone who did not attack you is wrong regardless of the death toll. In this case, I believe that intent does matter.

Sadly, McNamara would probably have been remembered as a great man had he left his office after JFK was killed. After all, McNamara played an important role in nuclear deterrence, during the Cuban missile crisis, etc. Too bad he was foolish enough to help start an unwinnable, useless war in Indochina.