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Re:David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a... by jerf on Sunday December 08, 2013 @09:14PM (#6872553)
Actually, "that there's all dem inequality" is not really my point, though I'll take full responsibility for the failure to communicate. My point is more like, the government that keeps promising to save us already has tons of power. Tons of it. It's got the direct control of a fifth of the economy, massive power over the rest, etc etc, which is what I was trying to say.

My point is that if giving the government more power was going to solve all of our problems, it should have by now. We've been giving it more power. Us libertarian types are thoroughly outnumbered by conventional rightists and leftists, who both agree that the government should have more power, they just disagree what it should use it on and who should use it, but when it comes down to the compromise vote, the government almost always ends up with more power. It has been a monotonic ratchet since at least the New Deal.

We've been promised nirvana if they just have more power, and yet, lo, we've given them all this power and apparently the situation is worse than ever, if you listen to them. Is it really such a crazy idea that these two things might be connected? Is it really such a crazy idea that maybe the fact that we keep centralizing power so we can experience a less centralized power structure is a completely nonfunctional solution? One that requires a rather extensive propaganda campaign to make sure people think in the Right Way so as to avoid noticing this rather simple question?

(I note I've now posed it on HN three or four times, and I'm yet to get even a smidge of a response to it. I find this often Means Something.)

I'd suggest the sheer opprobrium shot at libertarians is itself just the dominant power structure trying to prevent you from being exposed to ideas that may result in them having less power.

(I am simplifying a bit such that power == money; it's a pretty decent approximation.)

Re:David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a... by bane on Monday December 09, 2013 @01:05AM (#6873026)
> My point is that if giving the government more power was going to solve all of our problems, it should have by now.

Nobody's responding to you because, most likely, if you're going to have silly notions like this, then what's the point? You've already chosen a side, presenting rational for that decision based on arguments that nobody is making.

Binary thinking does not make for even the slightest bit interesting of a debate.

Re:David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a... by jerf on Monday December 09, 2013 @10:00PM (#6878741)
Well, I'd respond in kind. People have the deeply in-built assumption that we can simply solve all our problems by giving all the power to the thing that fits in the "tribal leader" slot in our instincts.

But we've given our "tribal leader" (government) more power than any single entity has ever had in history, and our problems are getting worse, not better. If you prefer a less binary argument, if giving more power to the government is going to improve the problem of inequality, inequality already ought to be getting better, not worse. If inequality is getting worse, and we've been giving more and more power to our government for decades, it seems irrational to conclude that the only way to "fix" inequality is to keep giving the government more power.