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Re:Experiments to do with your baby by shubhamjain on Friday December 06, 2013 @12:06PM (#6862105)
How some babies like Alan Kay in his childhood acquire exceptional talent of reading in such a small age. The wiki tells that he had read lofty number of books before he was three? Is it a talent or something to do with nurturing?
Re:Experiments to do with your baby by daeken on Friday December 06, 2013 @12:48PM (#6862387)
I'm not sure of Alan Kay's childhood, but in my case I was reading at a 6th grade level (IIRC) when I entered kindergarten, and was reading and writing stories from a very young age. I can't speak to the nature side of things, but I can speak to the nurture:

Every day from the time I was born, my mother would spend hours reading to me; not just "See Spot Run" level books, but things like the Bruce Coville "Magic Shop" series. Instead of just letting it stay there, she'd ask me questions about what she was reading, and then we'd make up our own stories that riffed on the same concepts/characters/settings. When going to bed, she wouldn't read to me, but rather we would make up our own stories using a theme that she'd select, which forced me to think through things at a higher level.

The one part I wish I understood better was how it went from oral to written, both in terms of reading and writing stories; I remember well her reading to me, but not how it switched to me reading. Regardless, I imagine that the nurture side of things had a huge, huge impact on my abilities, so: thanks mom!

[Edit: Linked her this thread, so I'll update with her thoughts whenever she sees it, if she doesn't comment herself.]

Re:Experiments to do with your baby by jawns on Friday December 06, 2013 @12:58PM (#6862442)
That's awesome! One thing I've started to do with my older son, who'll be 4 in a month, is helping him journal about his day. About half an hour before he goes up to bed, we sit down at the table and he dictates a journal entry about his day. If he says something ungrammatical, like "I go'ed to the library," I'll say aloud, "I went to the library" as I write it down, so he picks up on it. I've noticed, over the past six months or so that we've been doing it, that he's gotten better at putting events in a sequence, and I think it's helping to spark his imagination, too, because sometimes he'll tell me fanciful things about his day that I know he didn't actually do.
Re:Experiments to do with your baby by AndrewKemendo on Friday December 06, 2013 @02:30PM (#6863117)
That sounds really neat, I think I will start doing that with my daughter. I am away from home a lot so it might be something that we can do over the phone as our thing.
Re:Experiments to do with your baby by rooster8 on Saturday December 07, 2013 @11:39AM (#6866788)
What a great idea.
Re:Experiments to do with your baby by JoeAltmaier on Sunday December 08, 2013 @09:48AM (#6869798)
My wife started with 3-letter rhyming words. Cat, Bat, Hat. Lists of them. Once the 3-year-old could recognize the 1st letter she changed it up. Cot, Not, Hot.

A couple of weeks of this and they were reading. We continued to read to them but just for fun, for the theatre of it. With voices and acting out, hilarious with young kids.

My youngest got tired of all that and would grab the book and go to his room to read it alone. He was also reading Wizard of Oz when he entered Kindergarten.

Funny, teachers are often highly resistant to admitting any kid is at a different level. They even went so far as to bring in a 'reading expert' to test him. Showed him some stupid picture with a 6-word poem and read it to him, asked him what it 'meant'. Nothing of course. So he 'was reading at a normal 5-year-old level'.

Did they ever just ask him to read a book? No. Why not? What is the deal with teachers? Is it inconvenient to have kids at different levels so they go into denial? Do they feel threatened?

This isn't an isolated case. Its been played out in my experience with my kid and others of my friends. I've been buttonholed by experienced teachers and given a tirade on the evils of teaching kids on your own.

I like teachers, respect them. But they often have a chip on their shoulders, and its holding kids back.

Re:Experiments to do with your baby by daeken on Friday December 06, 2013 @06:59PM (#6864655)
If anyone is curious, a few random thoughts from my mom on this:

It was important that you understood how to get from point a to b. You were always good at being able to put things together easily. Sequencing and figuring out how a character came to be are elements that are often overlooked. Knowing that 1 story could be many with just a small twist is what the Coville books were so good at. Another thing is that your father and I never talked down to you and allowed you to come to your own conclusions.

Re:Experiments to do with your baby by mathattack on Friday December 06, 2013 @01:02PM (#6862471)
I think you owe her a big set of flowers and chocolates on Mothers Day!
Re:Experiments to do with your baby by quandrum on Friday December 06, 2013 @07:47PM (#6864835)
I don't have a source, but I remember reading that a child observing a parent reading (As opposed to a parent reading to a child) was a better indicator of whether the child would be a reader.

But this is heresy without a source.

Re:Experiments to do with your baby by rdtsc on Friday December 06, 2013 @10:53PM (#6865409)
Wow, you have an exceptional parent, that's all I can say.
Re:Experiments to do with your baby by jawns on Friday December 06, 2013 @12:13PM (#6862161)
I'm pretty sure that in the case of highly exceptional children, it's a combination of both nature and nurture, but with nurture taking a backseat to nature.

But I actually tried to stay away from topics like this in "Experimenting With Babies," because, well, how many readers are going to be able to experiment on a kid who can read fluently before age 3?

However, if you're interested in learning more about the topic, you might find this resource interesting:

http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10162.aspx

Re:Experiments to do with your baby by tokenadult on Friday December 06, 2013 @01:20PM (#6862592)
There are better sources than that on precocity in young children. I'll have to find some references for you. (They may not be found in time for the edit window of this comment, so feel free to write me off-forum if you would like those.)

In general, early reading is less remarkable (in English) than people think it is, because with the right materials[1] English can be seen by a young learner as a rather consistent writing system that is not insuperably hard to decode.

That said, my four homeschooled children, the first two of whom are strongly bilingual in Chinese and English, having lived in Taiwan in early childhood, were early but not strikingly precocious readers, and all my children were learning a lot of other things besides reading in their early childhood, of which chess was perhaps more conspicuously precocious than reading. Earliness is less important than long-term solid development of skill, and it sounds like the parents of some of the HN participants here who have personally observed examples of very precocious reading were well aware of that.

[1] http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Your-Child-Read-Minutes-ebook/dp...

http://www.amazon.com/Lets-Read-Linguistic-Leonard-Bloomfiel...

http://eps.schoolspecialty.com/products/details.cfm?serieson...

Re:Experiments to do with your baby by brc on Friday December 06, 2013 @11:23PM (#6865463)
A friend of my sons comes from a house definitely not focussed on teaching reading and writing at a young age. Yet their 5 year old son is streets ahead of his age for reading and writing. He is naturally gifted at it. None of his siblings share this trait or even an interest.

Another friend of mine found out their son was a reader when he started kindergarten. He was always 'reading' the books in the house, but his parents thought he had just memorised them from being ready. In fact his kindergarten teachers gave him new stuff to read and he lapped it up. He was reading the first Harry Potter book by the second grade. My friend actually got frustrated because his son didn't want to do father/son things, but preferred to read.

Some kids are gifted readers, just like some are gifted at hitting a ball with a bat. The important thing is (a) spend extra time and attention if it is clear they do have a gift and (b) don't feel like your child is somehow behind if there is a kid like this in their class.

Re:Experiments to do with your baby by mathattack on Friday December 06, 2013 @01:05PM (#6862491)
Science tells us that it's not either/or, it's the interaction between our genes and the environment.

My intuition (based on anecdotes and observations, not hard data) is that nature provides a starting point, and perhaps an ultimate cap or speed limit to growth, but nurture provides the year over year progress. The most successful people I know nailed the nurture (or hard work) part of the equation. They were all at least smart, but very few were the smartest in the room at a young age. Over time they've appeared smarter and smarter to their surrounding audience.

Re:Experiments to do with your baby by pstuart on Friday December 06, 2013 @06:14PM (#6864499)
I have twins. It's nature, shaped by nurture.
Re:Experiments to do with your baby by mathattack on Saturday December 07, 2013 @09:34PM (#6868740)
Identical? I've observed fraternal twins whose parents try to raise them 100% identical, but have wound up very similar in values but different in abilities and personality.
Re:Experiments to do with your baby by sethammons on Saturday December 07, 2013 @10:04AM (#6866512)
Nature vs nurture is a fun topic. The above topic reminded me how I learned to read. No where near as advanced as they, but nightly my dad would read to me and often the same book, the little prince. I was four or younger. I noticed that the words correlated with what is said, and I began seeking forward for shorter two and three letter words and was excited when I acurately picked out the right upcoming words. The words got bigger and I realized the link between letters and sounds. Exposure is important. Related somewhat to the article: my first memory is around 18 months old and involved knowing a good guy toy was to be punched and I found it odd that you would "hurt" the good guy.
Re:Experiments to do with your baby by girvo on Friday December 06, 2013 @05:29PM (#6864301)
I should ask my parents. According to my baby diary, I was reading on my own at 1.5 years, and have been reading nonstop ever since. :)