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Re:What the Fluck by mistermann on Friday December 06, 2013 @02:59AM (#6859994)
> I'm not sure why the hard-currency folks think that a commodity-backed currency will result in a more stable economy. Boom and Bust is the natural state of capitalism, and perhaps the natural state of human society, at least in times of dramatic technological change.

If you have a central bank constantly messing with interest rates and money supply, it distorts the market. That's why they do what they do. Whether we are better off or not I do not know, but to assert that it is irrelevant is incorrect.

I can agree that capitalism is more prone to boom and bust, but in a bust individuals will generally react accordingly in a mostly logical way. A central bank managed economy will (with the best intentions in mind I assume) often intervene in a way that promotes a continuation of the non (or negatively) beneficial economic behavior, if they didn't start it in the first place. This is where the hard money people are coming from, or at least this one.

Re:What the Fluck by pjc50 on Friday December 06, 2013 @05:11AM (#6860363)
All sorts of buried assertions in what you're saying: why are boom and bust "logical" in the first place? Do they not result from over- and under-valuing investments?

Central bank management has achieved pretty much exactly what it's been tasked with doing: price stability of the aggregate inflation measure. This is despite large variation in underlying commodities like oil. Housing went mad, but it wasn't included in the measure of inflation and far too many people were happy with asset price inflation to stop it.

(In any case, money supply is far more a function of lending than of currency issue. Hard currency does not prevent expansion or contraction of the money supply)

Re:What the Fluck by mistermann on Sunday December 08, 2013 @02:30AM (#6869228)
> why are boom and bust "logical" in the first place?

They're not, they result from humans not being logical creatures.

> price stability of the aggregate inflation measure.

Depending on how you measure.

> Housing went mad, but it wasn't included in the measure of inflation

Case in point. The largest lifetime investment of 95%+ of the population and it became a bubble/mania largely because of central bank intervention in interest rates.

> Hard currency does not prevent expansion or contraction of the money supply

That is not my understanding. If your currency must be backed by gold for example, then the money supply would grow slowly and prices would adjust accordingly. This is very different from today's practices.

Re:What the Fluck by lsc on Friday December 06, 2013 @10:45AM (#6861603)
>If you have a central bank constantly messing with interest rates and money supply, it distorts the market. That's why they do what they do. Whether we are better off or not I do not know, but to assert that it is irrelevant is incorrect.

Not saying it's irrelevant. I'm just saying that the historical data does not support the assertion that fiat currencies result in markets that are less stable than commodity-based currencies.

Re:What the Fluck by davidw on Friday December 06, 2013 @05:21AM (#6860385)
> but in a bust individuals will generally react accordingly in a mostly logical way.

It's easy to check this against, for instance, the great depression where rational economic actors drastically reduced their consumption of goods like, say, "food" or "shelter".

Despite being highly rational behavior, it was at times deleterious.

Re:What the Fluck by mistermann on Sunday December 08, 2013 @02:33AM (#6869235)
> Despite being highly rational behavior, it was at times deleterious.

Very true, but the lesson of what can happen when caution is thrown to the wind would minimize irresponsible behavior for a very long time. Contrast that with current practice which is to drop interest rates to insane levels so people can continue doing what got them into trouble in the first place.