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Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by resu_nimda on Thursday December 05, 2013 @02:32PM (#6856591)
To play devil's advocate - you willingly gave it to them, with almost zero contractual expectations. In a technical sense it is their stuff, and they have graciously implemented a feature allowing you to retrieve a copy of it.

I definitely agree that it's the "right" thing to do, but this kind of comment speaks of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility. They're offering a service, they don't have any inherent obligation, and you can choose not to use it.

Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by fragsworth on Thursday December 05, 2013 @04:03PM (#6857206)
Absolutely not. The implicit agreement is that they provide a service to hold, manage, and use your stuff, and you give up a certain amount of privacy by allowing them to see it - and they get to advertise at you while you use the service, and maybe make money in other ways off your information.

So in other words, it really is your stuff. Imagine if they locked your accounts from you out of malice - it's legal gray area, since I don't believe there have been any court cases, but I'm pretty sure the result would be obvious. You would easily be able to sue them to get back your access to it.

Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by resu_nimda on Thursday December 05, 2013 @04:31PM (#6857403)
Why would you have the expectation of an implicit agreement? There is no implicit agreement, that's an unfounded assumption by the user.

I imagine they could completely shut down all unpaid gmail access at any moment with no legal implications (though I haven't read the fine print, and in that extreme case the courts would probably step in just to keep the country running smoothly).

What precedent is there to support your hypothetical lawsuit? I kind of disagree, they would just get a lot of negative PR.

Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by rhizome on Thursday December 05, 2013 @04:39PM (#6857466)
If Google simply shut down Gmail, their stockholders would pretty much fire the entire leadership of the company. It would be professional suicide to approve something like that.
Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by tonfa on Thursday December 05, 2013 @06:19PM (#6858119)
I wonder if Page, Brin and Schmidt (the majority stockholders) would fire Larry, Sergei and Eric.
Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by rhizome on Friday December 06, 2013 @03:59PM (#6863760)
There would certainly be a change of leadership due to the change in the business that shutting down gmail would cause. The PR hit would be huge, and I'd WAG that majority rule would not be enough to keep them in place.
Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by sjwright on Thursday December 05, 2013 @10:24PM (#6859188)
I see what you did there.
Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by bad_user on Friday December 06, 2013 @02:51AM (#6859971)
Implementing exporting features takes time and money. If such things would come for free, then they would have an obligation.

Yes, it's your stuff and I don't agree with the parent. But you're not necessarily entitled to features for an easy export of that stuff. That's the kind of agreement that has to be explicit in order for you to feel entitled.

Anyway, if you want fair treatment and to feel like a customer and not a product, you should pay for using it. I'm on Google Apps, I have my own domain and email address, I can always move, I don't get adds, I can use the Exchange protocol, I have more options for importing/exporting and the email support has been very responsive for me. From what I hear Office 365 is a solid option lately and there's also FastMail.fm and others.

And btw, allowing them to advertise in your Inbox does not make you the customer, you're just a user of free stuff. And free stuff is great, but not when you depend on it (unless it's open-source :))

Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by donniezazen on Thursday December 05, 2013 @10:52PM (#6859296)
I have ambivalent feelings too but more in a gracious sense. I have long hold the philosophy that data should be treated as a consumer's personal property. Companies have reasonable rights to refuse to serve but they shouldn't be given authority to confiscate consumer's personal property and close their accounts unless warranted by the law of the land.
Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by justincormack on Thursday December 05, 2013 @05:28PM (#6857825)
I am paying them for this so I expect more.
Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by JohnTHaller on Thursday December 05, 2013 @09:56PM (#6859105)
You can expect what they've laid out in the contract you agreed to.
Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by rhizome on Thursday December 05, 2013 @04:37PM (#6857452)
A person who lived by this "technical" principle would likely find that their friends no longer wanted to loan them anything. After all, there is no "inherent obligation" for you to return anything, right?
Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by MBlume on Thursday December 05, 2013 @04:46PM (#6857504)
What? Yes, there is, that's what "loan" means.
Re:Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data by rhizome on Thursday December 05, 2013 @06:04PM (#6858061)
It's only because data does not have legal status as property. It doesn't keep people from feeling a similar degree of ownership over the data they store with Google et al, though, and I think it points to a democratic desire for these data-retrieval acts and implementations to be more than goodwill. The third-party doctrine is only a convention, after all.