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Re:The Power of a Pronoun by na85 on Saturday November 30, 2013 @05:12PM (#6824884)
It's not so crazy if you put down your pitchfork for a sec.

1) Every employee is an ambassador of your company's brand, and Tech already has a sexism problem to begin with.

2) It's not about the pronoun so much as it's about Ben re-rejecting a patch that Isaac, the project lead, had already accepted, solely on the grounds of pronoun genders.

#2 really has no other explanation than sexism; and when his behaviour is conducted in public on the internet, where the "Joyent employs bigots" meme has potential to go viral, that'd be cause for concern for any employer.

Now, I like to think that had Ben been a Joyent employee the author of this pieces would have had a standard "we have concerns with your conduct" meeting with Ben before reaching for the banhammer but we don't really have any way of knowing.

Re:The Power of a Pronoun by sontek on Saturday November 30, 2013 @05:53PM (#6825041)
I think #2 happened because Alex (the creator of the PR) was being hostile in his comments. I doubt Ben would have closed this PR if Alex would have approached the subject with more poise and kindness.

Not everyone is familiar with the battle of gender inequality in tech and the fact that some people find gendered pronouns exclusionary.

This was a perfect time to help the cause and educate developers, but instead Alex chose to be hostile because they didn't understand.

This is the comment I believe hurt everything the PR was trying to do: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29537...

We need to remember that the Internet is a global community and not everyone we deal with has english as a first language, Ben being from The Netherlands most likely speaks dutch first which has its own gender language issues: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_in_Dutch_grammar

Re:The Power of a Pronoun by InclinedPlane on Saturday November 30, 2013 @06:16PM (#6825119)
> #2 really has no other explanation than sexism

It's so easy to condemn others, isn't it? There are many possible motives for Ben's actions, sexism being only one of them. Moreover, convicting someone and giving them the "committer's death sentence" on such flimsy evidence ought to give anyone pause.

Demands for strict orthodoxy aren't the way to navigate the path of righteous inclusion. When a minor situation blows out of proportion you make sure to clearly state policy, set the people who did something wrong straight and make sure that everybody is on the same page. You use heavy handed tools like bans, firing, or removal of contributor privileges when it becomes clear that someone is set on wrong doing despite warnings and clarifications. Punishment at the hint of political incorrectness just leads to an environment of fear.

Re:The Power of a Pronoun by na85 on Saturday November 30, 2013 @06:39PM (#6825208)
>There are many possible motives for Ben's actions, sexism being only one of them.

Rejects a pull request, project lead overrides his rejection, Ben goes out of his way to attempt to revert it.

Please list some reasons other than sexism why he would go to such trouble.

Re:The Power of a Pronoun by wyrmlet on Saturday November 30, 2013 @08:57PM (#6825680)
Grammar purity is a reasonable alternate explanation. My past English teachers and some of my current friends would be appalled at the use of "they/them" as a singular pronoun. I have utmost confidence my friends are not covert sexists; rather they appreciate the power of clarity in writing.
Re:The Power of a Pronoun by na85 on Sunday December 01, 2013 @12:22AM (#6826245)
Your english teachers are pretentious and ignorant, then.

The singular "they" dates back to at least the twelfth century.

Re:The Power of a Pronoun by theorique on Saturday November 30, 2013 @05:21PM (#6824925)
#2 has the alternative explanation of passive aggressive frustration, in addition to sexism. Sort of an irritable "you aren't going to tell me what to do" attitude. Not sure if that is better or worse than sexism, but it is a definite possibility.
Re:The Power of a Pronoun by na85 on Saturday November 30, 2013 @05:28PM (#6824957)
Again, something you wouldn't want in a potential employee.
Re:The Power of a Pronoun by rsynnott on Saturday November 30, 2013 @09:41PM (#6825826)
That also sounds like a pretty undesirable attribute in an employee, especially one who is hypothetically in a prominent position in a major open source project.
Re:The Power of a Pronoun by kevbin on Saturday November 30, 2013 @06:43PM (#6825234)
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Assuredly. But assailing associates with company assets is embarrassing, too.

Name calling——especially vulgar name calling——is unprofessional.

I blame Dick Cheney. But at least he didn't know he was miked.