One of the World's Foremost Meteorologists Has Called the Theory That Helped Al Gore Share the Nobel Peace Prize "ridiculous"

Re:One of the World's Foremost Meteorologists Has Called the... by fauigerzigerk on Monday October 15, 2007 @07:41AM (#67999)

I agree. It's puzzling. I mean there are economists who claim to be able to calculate the cost of climate change over 40 years. I urge everybody who believes them to check the 1 year predictions made by the same people.

We're told that if 80 % of scientists agree on something we cannot just dismiss it as nonsense. I would agree with that if even just a few of them had credible methods to simulate complex systems. They don't. Each of them models just a tiny piece of the system and their methods work only within that very narrow context. So what science did the IPCC use to join all those partial models?

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Re:One of the World's Foremost Meteorologists Has Called the... by Tichy on Monday October 15, 2007 @07:29PM (#68291)

That sounds like strawman argumentation: you cite a group of people with bad credentials to denounce all climate researchers.

What method would you propose for dealing with climate changes? What about changes in average temperature over the centures. Since you don't believe in any models, would you just ignore that information?

Is a very complex simulation even necessary? You don't need to simulate every atom in water to determine it's density in relation to it's temperature, for example.

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Re:One of the World's Foremost Meteorologists Has Called the... by fauigerzigerk on Friday October 19, 2007 @12:09PM (#70369)

What I'm saying is that there is no scientific basis for making 40 year predictions about complex systems. And I'm not talking about people with bad credentials. Even the best economists' predicitons for a year in advance are pretty bad.

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