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Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by rikacomet on Friday November 22, 2013 @09:30AM (#6780871)
Now what the heck happened in the end? Anand gave up a knight advantage, purposedly for a clear cut draw. I have no clue why he did that this time.

He took queen with queen, clearly, knowing it would be lost to king, and then again the pawn with knight. He had a knight, of all things!

Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by cjbprime on Friday November 22, 2013 @09:41AM (#6780937)
> Anand gave up a knight advantage, purposedly for a clear cut draw.

When you assume that a world-class GM played "purposedly" for a draw that would lose him the championship title, you're probably wrong.

> He took queen with queen, clearly

He was in check. Taking W's queen was the only way to avoid losing his own for nothing.

Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by rikacomet on Friday November 22, 2013 @09:44AM (#6780958)
are you sure about that? the king could have moved back up, but in front.. moved from right side to left side between those two lines, without moving in front of the queen line.
Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by dfan on Friday November 22, 2013 @11:08AM (#6781574)
If Anand played the king to the eighth rank instead of to h6, Carlsen would have kept checking on the seventh and eighth ranks, with a draw by perpetual check.
Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by dfan on Friday November 22, 2013 @01:21PM (#6782619)
Just to make sure I am absolutely clear, I am talking about 61...Kh6, which enabled Carlsen to play 62.Qb6+ forcing the queen trade.
Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by ars on Friday November 22, 2013 @12:33PM (#6782241)
Little reminder: Don't downmod people just for asking questions. Even if they are wrong.
Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by pothibo on Friday November 22, 2013 @09:55AM (#6781015)
And he would have lost his queen thus loosing the game.
Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by lobe on Friday November 22, 2013 @09:42AM (#6780943)
It was the best option in both cases. He was in check when he took the queen, so the queens had to swap or black would lose his queen. At the end Anand traded his knight for the pawn as a king and knight (black's material) can't win, but a king and pawn (white's material) can, so it is in blacks best interest to swap.
Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by rikacomet on Friday November 22, 2013 @09:48AM (#6780973)
what rule is that? are you implying even if only white king, black king, and black knight would be left on board, it would be a draw/win for white by default?

Instead of trying to isolate white king into a corner for checkmate?

Never heard of a rule like that. Are you sure?

Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by luiz-pv9 on Friday November 22, 2013 @09:53AM (#6781004)
Combinations with insufficient material to checkmate are:

king versus king; king and bishop versus king; king and knight versus king; king and bishop versus king and bishop with the bishops on the same colour. - wikipedia

Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by tspiteri on Friday November 22, 2013 @10:53AM (#6781455)
Then you have the situations where a check mate is possible but cannot be forced. King and two knights against king cannot force a check mate, but if the player with the lone king knows what they're doing and wants to get check mated, they can help the other player to win. If I'm not mistaken, that counts as a draw even if the clock flags on the player with less material.
Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by vidarh on Friday November 22, 2013 @10:13AM (#6781124)
You can't checkmate with just a king and knight. Isolating into a corner won't help, as the king can not get close enough to keep the opposing king "in place", and while the knight can try to keep the king cornered, there would be no positions where the knight can check where the checked king can't escape the check by safely moving towards the knight.

EDIT: There would be positions where you don't try position the king to try to hold the opposing king in a corner where the opposing king can't move towards the knight to escape a check, but in those positions it will be able to move away in other directions.

Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by andrewcooke on Friday November 22, 2013 @10:16AM (#6781139)
how many times do you have to be wrong here before you question your chess knowledge?
Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by ubernostrum on Saturday November 23, 2013 @02:27AM (#6785568)
Very sure.

It's not in the written rules of the game, but is a consequence of the rules.

To place the opposing king in checkmate, you must have sufficient pieces to threaten the square the king is on, and all adjacent squares, simultaneously. This means anywhere from 4-8 squares depending on the position.

King and knight, alone, cannot threaten enough contiguous squares simultaneously to cause checkmate in any position, largely because the knight must place the opposing king in check (a king cannot get close enough), but due to the mechanics of the knight's move there will always be at least three adjacent squares not threatened by the knight at that moment, and at least one that cannot be threatened by the knight's king.

You should feel free to try this yourself: place a king of one color on the board, and a king and knight of the other color, and then use only those pieces to try to construct a checkmate. It simply cannot be done. The best you can do is isolate the lone king in a corner and cause a draw by depriving it of moves (but it will not be in check at that time, so it will be stalemate, not checkmate).

And as luiz-pv9 points out, king+knight is not the only "insufficient material" combination.

Re:Magnus Carlsen is World Chess Champion by bmslieght on Friday November 22, 2013 @10:35AM (#6781300)
Clearly you should be in the next final of the world championship of chess.