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Re:Xbox One: The Review by steveklabnik on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @08:26AM (#6767802)
Except that it's closed source so who can really tell? And even if it is now, who says a 'security update' won't change that in the future?
Re:Xbox One: The Review by freehunter on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @08:52AM (#6767923)
Except that it's closed source so who can really tell?

Anyone with a computer and Wireshark.

And even if it is now, who says a 'security update' won't change that in the future?

Do we want to get into justifications about what could possibly be done with a technology and therefore refuse to use said technology? I've heard Kinect could identify the guns in your house and send the police automatically!

Re:Xbox One: The Review by foobarqux on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @09:11AM (#6768023)
> Anyone with a computer and Wireshark.

The data is encrypted.

Re:Xbox One: The Review by steveklabnik on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @09:11AM (#6768022)
> Anyone with a computer and Wireshark.

This assumes that the information is not encrypted, for one.

> Do we want to get into justifications about what could possibly be done with a technology and therefore refuse to use said technology?

When it comes to security, yes, you must consider all vectors. See the two news stories below about cell phones doing similar things as far back as 2006.

Re:Xbox One: The Review by freehunter on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @10:59AM (#6768755)
So people are also refusing to use the PS4 camera, their cell phones, any laptop with a webcam, any tablet, the Moto X with its always-on microphone, etc? Because they could be used to infringe on privacy?

It's about risk management. What's the potential harm, what's the likelihood of that harm, and what would be the impact if this were to be used maliciously? It sounds to me like people are rejecting this because a) Microsoft and b) rumors and speculation.

Re:Xbox One: The Review by steveklabnik on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @06:40PM (#6772092)
Activists have long required that any electronics go in the freezer in a different room while meetings happen, yes.

Most people just don't even think about it at all.

Re:Xbox One: The Review by mbennett on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @08:36AM (#6767845)
Same with almost all smartphones with cameras and microphones that people have with them 24/7 and even take to their bedrooms and bathrooms. Even on Android, the baseband and many drivers are closed source. I fail to see how this is any worse.
Re:Xbox One: The Review by steveklabnik on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @09:10AM (#6768017)
It's not, they're super bad too.

I carry an iPhone, but I'm under no illusions of their capabilities.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142412788732399700...

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029-6140191.html

Re:Xbox One: The Review by comex on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @08:49AM (#6767902)
The difference is that because Xbox One feels like it's watching you, people's minds jump to how people could end up watching you, even though the actual risk is far less than with the devices you mentioned.
Re:Xbox One: The Review by freehunter on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @08:53AM (#6767934)
Why does it feel like it's watching you? The Moto X is constantly listening to you. The PS4 has a camera as well, along with every smartphone. What's different about the Xbox?