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Re:Dear Googles: Stop asking by greenyoda on Saturday November 16, 2013 @02:21PM (#6746064)
Google does not get the credit for making the Internet searchable; there were some pretty decent search engines, like AltaVista, before Google came along. Google made an incremental improvement in search algorithms and figured out how to make search very profitable.
Re:Dear Googles: Stop asking by davidgerard on Saturday November 16, 2013 @02:42PM (#6746153)
I think you're wrong there. I remember using the web back then. Search sucked before Google. Altavista was a bit better than what came before it, but Google really was the first search engine that was any bloody good at all. The PageRank algorithm basically cracked the search problem.

Making money actually came years later. Google used the method of "get a zillion users and we'll figure out money later."

Re:Dear Googles: Stop asking by pessimizer on Saturday November 16, 2013 @03:18PM (#6746288)
>Google really was the first search engine that was any bloody good at all.

This is not even vaguely true. Google's algorithm was a bit better, their page was cleaner, and they weren't trying to push you into other services or wall you into any weirdness.

If google had pulled the shit they pull now back then, I never would have switched to it. I switched to google because they convinced me that their simple, honest strategy was based on some sort of a company value rather than just a strategy of leaving profit on the table until they could drive all competition out of business and ask for your firstborn. Corporate values? That's what I get for believing in science fiction.

Re:Dear Googles: Stop asking by sitharus on Saturday November 16, 2013 @03:40PM (#6746345)
The algorithm was better, but it wasn't revolutionary. The main point was it specifically ignored the page titles and meta tags that got all the keyword stuffing at the time.

The biggest advantage Google had was their listings were all search results, whereas most competitors had paid listings included in the results, but at the top of course.

Re:Dear Googles: Stop asking by marshray on Saturday November 16, 2013 @07:20PM (#6746982)
It was revolutionary better. Non-techie friends were saying to me out of the blue "have you tried Google?"

But that was, you know, over 15 years ago.

Re:Dear Googles: Stop asking by greenyoda on Saturday November 16, 2013 @03:02PM (#6746230)
If I remember correctly, AltaVista had a pretty sophisticated advanced search mode where you could string together search terms with Boolean operators (and/or/not). And I'm sure that AltaVista had some kind of metric of "site quality" before PageRank came along. For example, you could judge how "important" a site is by how often people click on a search result to go there, or how big they are (number of URLs from that site in your search index). You can also rank the relevance of a search result by how closely the search terms match the text on the site.

Also, as the web and search evolved, people who ran web sites figured out what they'd need to do to get found more easily by search engines. It's possible that the rise of SEO was more responsible for a better search experience than improved site ranking algorithms.

Re:Dear Googles: Stop asking by bad_user on Saturday November 16, 2013 @05:04PM (#6746619)
I was also using AltaVista back in early 2000. Their advanced search method you mention is the perfect example of complicated UI that fails to function properly, putting the blame on the user. I switched to Google after being frustrated that I wasn't finding something while at an Internet Cafe, I then saw Google's logo on somebody else's screen and gave it a try. Google was better by an order of magnitude. Your reasoning about SEO is bulshit.
Re:Dear Googles: Stop asking by rsync on Sunday November 17, 2013 @01:14AM (#6747829)
... and now we have completely useless and inaccurate results from google just about every time you search.

There isn't an hour that goes by that I don't search for a few keywords ... like ... freebsd openvpn push ... and guess what ? Results 1 and 3 for that query do not contain the word push.

Every day I am running into this and every day I miss altavista.

Re:Dear Googles: Stop asking by nostrademons on Sunday November 17, 2013 @01:59AM (#6747919)
Re:Dear Googles: Stop asking by davidgerard on Saturday November 23, 2013 @01:13PM (#6786814)
:-D

Is there a way to switch this on permanently?

Re:Dear Googles: Stop asking by davidgerard on Saturday November 16, 2013 @03:09PM (#6746258)
I vaguely recall something like a Boolean search functionality on AV, yeah. I think HotBot had one too, though they were using some other sucky algorithmic innovation that didn't actually crack the search problem.

I don't think SEO really started happening until Google outlined the basic idea of PageRank - until there was something to plausibly target. At which point 1999-2000 were the years of hideous link farms. I sure remember those.

Re:Dear Googles: Stop asking by gaius on Saturday November 16, 2013 @06:09PM (#6746773)
No, it was happening way before Google, every page's meta tags would have "anna kournikova nekkid", even if you were selling lawnmowers.

I was an avid user of AltaVista back in the day but what killed it, and why I jumped on Google as soon as it was available was back then, it was simply less polluted.

Re:Dear Googles: Stop asking by ksk on Sunday November 17, 2013 @12:32AM (#6747744)
I don't think PageRank made any difference at all. Its the other thing you mentioned - the zillions of users.

A huge data set mapping the search terms -> clicks is what made all the difference IMO.