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Re:Bitcoin Companies and Entrepreneurs Can't Get Bank Accounts by bickfordb on Friday November 15, 2013 @09:13PM (#6743281)
What are the banks actual risks in these cases? Why aren't banks showing up and being created to fill this market need?
Re:Bitcoin Companies and Entrepreneurs Can't Get Bank Accounts by ganeumann on Friday November 15, 2013 @10:24PM (#6743436)
It's almost impossible to create a bank. When businesses decide they need to start a bank, they go and buy a shell that already has a banking license. The several million dollars to buy the shell is far cheaper than trying to start one from scratch.

Existing banks could, I suppose, go into this business. But the experience of the IAFCU--being given an excessively hard time by regulators when they started working with BTC businesses--is why they don't. Banks exist because goverment regulators allow them to. Unless they are extremely large (and then the government regulators exist because the large banks say they can, evidently.)

I am a BTC skeptic. I don't think it solves a burning problem for most people. But the government, in trying to keep BTC from succeeding, seems to be creating the very raison d etre, solvable only by crypto-currency, that BTC was lacking.

Re:Bitcoin Companies and Entrepreneurs Can't Get Bank Accounts by gaadd33 on Friday November 15, 2013 @11:31PM (#6743640)
It only costs around 5-10M to create a bank in the US. If BTC is that profitable, why hasn't anyone done that?
Re:Bitcoin Companies and Entrepreneurs Can't Get Bank Accounts by greendata on Saturday November 16, 2013 @12:17AM (#6743740)
B/c the US Gov would shut it down, seize your accounts and you'd be out at least 5 million USD

As long as the US Gov is against bitcoin, and they should be for their own sake, they will make it impossible to comply with the regulations. Anyone involved in creating the bank would probably face criminal sanctions for some crime. Crypto currencies may eventually threaten the USD's status as a reserve currency. The US Gov will do anything possible to stop bitcoin from growing to that level.

Re:Bitcoin Companies and Entrepreneurs Can't Get Bank Accounts by gaadd33 on Saturday November 16, 2013 @09:21AM (#6744785)
Are there explicit laws against bitcoin? It seems unlikely that the OCC is going to just seize a bank when its following all applicable laws and compliance mechanisms.

Some banks (depending on the location and size) keep foreign currency on their books so you would just need to account for it by the same manner unless there is some definition as to what constitutes a foreign currency for accounting purposes.

Re:Bitcoin Companies and Entrepreneurs Can't Get Bank Accounts by PeterisP on Saturday November 16, 2013 @10:28AM (#6745042)
I don't see any serious advantages to bitcoin whatsoever if you have to follow the requirements of a banking licence.

Anonymity? Nope, KYC (know your customer) rules would require ID of all wallets.

Untraceability? Nope, AML (anti money laundering) regulations would anyway require you to identify the source and 'final beneficiary' of each transaction; and deny/freeze a bunch of transations matching some criteria. Oh, and you'll be financially liable if you're too soft on verifying which of your users lie.

Finality of transactions? Nope, payers can contest payments for all kinds of reasons, and you'll have to return money to them; But you'll not being able to get fraudulent payments back due to properties of Bitcoin.

Doesn't look like a good business to me; you can be profitable as an unregulated exchange, but doing it "properly" will make you completely uncompetitive.

Re:Bitcoin Companies and Entrepreneurs Can't Get Bank Accounts by jedunnigan on Friday November 15, 2013 @09:23PM (#6743292)
Well, MSBs are held criminally liable for any illegal activity their platforms help facilitate. Banks can be fined heavily (see: HSBC, Wells Fargo) for such behavior. It's ironic their customers can be held criminally liable but they cannot... that's another conversation though.

But yea it's all a game of risk and how much of it they are willing to take. Bitcoin businesses are in the highest of high risk categories and they currently don't bring in enough money for the banks to justify the potential downsides.

At this point any US based entrepreneurs should consider looking elsewhere for banks. I know of a Caribbean country planning to be a haven for cryptocurrency businesses. Things will be announced soon.

Re:Bitcoin Companies and Entrepreneurs Can't Get Bank Accounts by D9u on Friday November 15, 2013 @10:01PM (#6743372)
I seem to recall several big banks (Wachovia, et al) being found to have facilitated money laundering of billions in drug cartel profits, yet these big banks were punished by fines amounting to tiny fractions of the amounts laundered...

No one spent a day in prison for these acts, no bank was disbanded as a result, no bank officials were reprimanded, which seems to be blatantly unequal when the big picture is taken into consideration.

Then there is the fact that the USD is backed by nothing other than military might...

Re:Bitcoin Companies and Entrepreneurs Can't Get Bank Accounts by gaadd33 on Saturday November 16, 2013 @09:26AM (#6744807)
Military might and the world's largest economy, but yea other than that, nothing.