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Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by fnordfnordfnord on Friday November 15, 2013 @04:43PM (#6742344)
>Also important to remember is the fact that Anonymous didn't just leak the e-mails, but stole a bunch of credit card numbers and made $700k worth of charges.

You know full well what "Anonymous" is, and attempting to attribute everything bad that's ever happened on the internet to every defendant that ever gets grouped in with "Anonymous" is ridiculous.

Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by yeukhon on Friday November 15, 2013 @04:48PM (#6742375)
You don't understand. The actual group of Anonymous are going harm and activists are looking up at this group of people and they are attributing themselves when they want to do something like DoDS some company web service. Anonymous are justifying their hacking and cracking by saying their targets have done the unjust. Why are they doing the unjust; as if Anonymous has the power to rule what is right and wrong, and acting as if they are an underground judge.

I honestly don't appreciate Anonymous. If you want to be an activist, show your face and your identity. The world doesn't need an incubator of batman.

Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by jlgreco on Friday November 15, 2013 @05:31PM (#6742601)
No, I think it is you that does not understand:

> "The actual group of Anonymous [...]"

There is no such thing. Not in any traditional sense. Talking about "Anonymous, the group" is like talking about "Kilroy, the GI."

Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by krapp on Friday November 15, 2013 @07:18PM (#6742959)
> Talking about "Anonymous, the group" is like talking about "Kilroy, the GI."

I wonder how many people here are even going to get that reference...

Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by jlgreco on Friday November 15, 2013 @07:27PM (#6742992)
Apparently "Kilroy" is specifically an American thing, but I don't think it is too obscure. For the curious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilroy_was_here

I thought it was a good comparison because of the "graffiti/website defacement" angle.

Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by D9u on Friday November 15, 2013 @09:41PM (#6743333)
If not "Kilroy" then how about "Emmanuel Goldstein?"
Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by CoryG89 on Friday November 15, 2013 @07:21PM (#6742968)
Yeah, I don't look at Anonymous nearly the same way you do. I think of Anonymous as an idea or a principle rather than an actual group. I see no reason why anonymity cannot have a place in activism.
Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by duaneb on Saturday November 16, 2013 @10:23AM (#6745028)
There are many groups (or a single very large fluid group) that call themselves Anonymous. That's more or less the point of the name.
Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by tsotha on Friday November 15, 2013 @05:58PM (#6742713)
>You know full well what "Anonymous" is, and attempting to attribute everything bad that's ever happened on the internet to every defendant that ever gets grouped in with "Anonymous" is ridiculous.

How is that different than working for the Gambinos? Anonymous members were part of an "ongoing criminal enterprise", and anybody who didn't realize what that means is too stupid to be out roaming the streets.

Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by jlgreco on Friday November 15, 2013 @06:28PM (#6742800)
> How is that different than working for the Gambinos?

The Gambino crime family is actually an organization or group in the traditional sense. "Anonymous" is more analogous to "The Mafia". A useful term if you are okay with being imprecise, but the reality of "The Mafia" is encompasses a very broad set of groups that more often than not have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

Of course there are a few differences between the concept of "Anonymous" and the concept of "The Mafia". Groups that identify as "The Mafia" have more in common with each other than groups who identify as "Anonymous" (the former are all organized crime groups, the later can be any group from organized crime groups, to people who wear silly masks and protest fringe religions, to people who call the parents of kids who abuse cats and post pictures to facebook.) Furthermore, if I burn down a local business and then claim to be The Mafia, mainstream media would mock me for delusionally thinking I had any claim to the term. If I defaced a local businesses website and then claimed to be "Anonymous", the media would lap that bullshit up.

Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by nikcub on Friday November 15, 2013 @07:01PM (#6742900)
A lot of people would argue that it shouldnt happen in the case of the gambinos either and that RICO is an overreach
Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by tsotha on Friday November 15, 2013 @09:15PM (#6743284)
And I'd be one of those people. But you can't run around telling everyone you're a member of a shadowy criminal organization named Anonymous and not expect people to treat you like, you know, a member of a shadowy criminal organization named Anonymous.
Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by gcb0 on Saturday November 16, 2013 @01:40AM (#6743958)
it's the same distinction as setting up a shop selling pirated movies with fake dvd boxes vs using piratebay ocassionaly.