Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak

Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by GuiA on Friday November 15, 2013 @12:58PM (#6740913)

So if someone does nasty things, but getting access to evidence for these nasty things is impossible without breaking a law, how do you suggest that one should go about proving that the aforementioned nasty things were committed?

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Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by andrewfong on Friday November 15, 2013 @01:12PM (#6741016)

Pedophiles do nasty things on the Internet. Uncovering pedophiles on the Internet is impossible without mass surveillance of the Internet. How do you suggest that one should go about proving that someone is a pedophile?

In both the case of pedophiles and state actors who are breaking the law, the answer is the same. Wait for them to slip up. It's hard to keep something secret forever.

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Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by GuiA on Friday November 15, 2013 @01:49PM (#6741330)

I'm not on top of my criminal law, but it seems to me that the nasty, illegal things pedophiles do, they do in real life and not the internet, no?

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Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by andrewfong on Friday November 15, 2013 @01:56PM (#6741368)

We can replace pedophile with "person who consumes and distributes kiddie porn" if that helps the analogy.

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Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by GuiA on Friday November 15, 2013 @02:13PM (#6741453)

If you replace those words, then your analogy falls apart.

http://falkvinge.net/2012/09/07/three-reasons-child-porn-mus...

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Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by moloch on Friday November 15, 2013 @01:23PM (#6741106)

> "Uncovering pedophiles on the Internet is impossible without mass surveillance of the Internet"

Didn't realize the TV show "To Catch a Predator" did mass surveillance of the internet, NBC is taking investigative journalism to an extreme.

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Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by andrewfong on Friday November 15, 2013 @01:40PM (#6741245)

That's sort of the point. When someone justifies an action because it's "impossible" to stop bad thing X without doing morally questionable thing Y, be skeptical.

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Re:Jeremy Hammond sentenced to 10 years for Stratfor leak by jamesaguilar on Friday November 15, 2013 @01:01PM (#6740931)

Not sure. You might have to take one for the team like with other acts of civil disobedience.

That said, in this case, were nasty things uncovered? I can't find anything about that. Also, mixing investigative journalism with theft and use of other people's credit card numbers is probably not the best way to maintain an appearance of innocence.

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