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Re:Renault will remotely lock down electric cars by masklinn on Thursday November 14, 2013 @10:03AM (#6732649)
> If I stop paying lease payments for my car, it will get repossessed

That's a somewhat different situation. The Zoe is a $20000 car not a rental, you do own the useless husk after your car has been remotely bricked because you didn't renew your battery-license.

In fact "license" is really what it feels like, and the Oracle-kind. With the Zoe it looks like your $20k don't actually buy a car they buy the right to a license, then you pay a license (the battery rental) on top of that, and if you don't pay for license renewal you end up with an expensive and uncomfortable shed.

Plus you're beholden to Renault for both use of the car (battery contract, which is per-driven-distance and does have overage costs) and its sale (you have to transfer the battery contract to the next owner).

But the license comes with free hours of support, yay! (free replacement of the battery, and roadside assistance)

Re:Renault will remotely lock down electric cars by pkulak on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:05PM (#6733475)
Actually, it's $14,000. The Leaf, for example, is in the low 30s, which is made by the same company and anyone is free to buy instead.

All you are doing is shifting the risk for the most costly and fragile part of the car to the manufacturer. Everyone leases Leafs because no one wants to shoulder the risk of a bad $12,000 battery, but then if you scratch a door panel, you have to answer for that in two years. Financing $13,000 plus $100 a month for a battery is probably about the same price per month as the average lease.

Re:Renault will remotely lock down electric cars by Pxtl on Thursday November 14, 2013 @02:31PM (#6734863)
That explains it. So the battery is the most expensive and fragile part of the car and requires a lot of maintenance the owner doesn't want to deal with... so the manufacturer says "we'll own and take care of the battery stuff, you just own everything around the battery".

I see where they're coming from, but it's a very odd solution. Owning only part of a car is darned weird, and feels like a hackish workaround to the problems of clumsy warranties and leases.

Re:Renault will remotely lock down electric cars by lloeki on Thursday November 14, 2013 @01:01PM (#6734012)
> by the same company

nitpick: Nissan Motor Company, Limited and Renault S.A. are not the same company, they cross-own shares and have intimate technology agreements, and Ghosn is the executive head of both at once.

Re:Renault will remotely lock down electric cars by masklinn on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:21PM (#6733605)
> Actually, it's $14,000.

Where from? Using the official storefronts it's £14000 in the UK (~$22000), 21500€ in Belgium and Spain, 20780€ in Austria, 21850€ in Italy and 20600€ in Germany.

The one country where it's significantly lower is France where it's 14500€... including a 6300€ "ecological rebate" from the government (for vehicles under 20g CO2/km)

Re:Renault will remotely lock down electric cars by leokun on Thursday November 14, 2013 @01:05PM (#6734046)
Cars without access to official batteries will probably create a market for Zoe batteries from third parties.