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Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by brokenparser on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @06:07AM (#6717060)
The only proper way to turn off a phone is to remove the battery, in lieu of nuking it from orbit (just to be sure).
Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by lotsofcows on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @06:29AM (#6717135)
But is that the only battery? Is there a battery or cap powering the clock for example? Can that be corrupted?
Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by nwh on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @06:39AM (#6717164)
Phones certainly don't have big enough capacitors to store enough power to run a radio. There's probably only a few pF of capacitance in an entire iPhone for example, though it not having an easily removable battery makes that a little moot.
Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by lotsofcows on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:12AM (#6717557)
I've had a look at a few teardowns but can't find another battery. My 'phone copes with the battery being removed while in offline mode so there's power somewhere.
Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by a3n on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:36AM (#6717684)
But they probably do have enough power somewhere to silently turn themselves on, say briefly, according to some schedule or event. Not saying it's being done, but it could be done.
Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by nwh on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:44AM (#6717726)
Where? No other components store power in any way. There's a few small capacitors lying around, but they're so small that you could never power anything from them. If something like this existed, people would have noticed a long, long time ago.
Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by frandroid on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:47AM (#6717753)
The "battery to keep your clock on time problem" was a problem of the offline PC world. Cellphones just need to get network time when they boot if they lost time. Thus manufacturers shouldn't need to include a separate clock battery in the limited space on a phone body.
Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by jmpe on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @09:14AM (#6717908)
Sorry, you're wrong.

Samsung Galaxy S1:

http://www.techinsights.com/uploadedImages/Public_Website/Co...

The internal battery is located at the top-right - a circular coin cell soldered to the board.

Samsung Galaxy S2:

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm148/rprosperojr/IMG_120...

The internal battery is located at the center-top

Edit: In case of the SGS2 it's located next to the WLan/BT module.

Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by joosters on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @09:07AM (#6717882)
That's no good. You might power your phone back on in an area without network coverage, or the signal might take too long to receive after power up, or you are running in flight mode on a plane, or ...

Basically, you still need a local clock.

Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by marvin on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @07:26AM (#6717343)
A Faraday cage should also ensure that no one can track you.
Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by urlwolf on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @09:48AM (#6718101)
Totally unrelated, but I'd like to quote something you wrote on the 'academia vs industry' thread. Could you please contact me? (email in my user profile)? Thanks! (this would only work if marvin is monitoring his comments; apologies for the noise, everyone...!)
Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by ballard on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @07:51AM (#6717445)
As seen on KS:

http://offpocket.com/

Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by specto on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:46AM (#6717742)
Seems like the price is a bit steep for a little bit of fabric.
Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by headShrinker on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @09:06AM (#6717874)
Indeed, a metal cocktail shaker works as a faraday device as well.
Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by Zenst on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:15AM (#6717572)
Maybe a use for that old microwave.
Re:Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered... by GotAnyMegadeth on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @08:23AM (#6717616)
or a tinfoil hat!