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Re:Is It O.K. to Kill Cyclists? by aaren on Sunday November 10, 2013 @02:42PM (#6708073)
Maybe it depends where you live (UK here). I see multiple cars jump multiple different red lights everyday, when the lights are very definitely red.

Often the cars accelerate into the lights to get through.

I also see bikes jump through lights, but I don't usually find them as objectionable as they are i) going much slower, ii) weigh about 10% of the car, iii) have a massive interest in navigating the junction safely because of the mortal risk to themselves.

I get annoyed when I see either cars or bikes jumping lights that are for pedestrians.

Re:Is It O.K. to Kill Cyclists? by mikeash on Sunday November 10, 2013 @06:21PM (#6708949)
When you're talking about accelerating to get through, I take it you're discussing running of red lights quickly after a yellow.

While I certainly won't condone this, I also think it's a different class of problem from blatantly running a red light that has been red for a long time. Lights are timed to tolerate some abuse when it comes to trying to squeak through.

What I see bicycles do on a regular basis (and what this one particular jerk did the other day that really stuck out at me) is proceed through red lights that have been red for a long time. On a good day, they do it after stopping and waiting for a while. On a decent day, they check for traffic and only run the light if there's a hole. On a bad day, they just blow through.

I object for two reasons. First, even though they're likely to take the physical damage in a crash, they're still imposing potential emotional damage on others. Even if they're not at all at fault, a normal human will feel awful for hurting or killing a bicyclist while driving. Second, it gives all bicyclists a bad reputation, and that harms me when I'm on my bicycle.

Re:Is It O.K. to Kill Cyclists? by collyw on Monday November 11, 2013 @06:37AM (#6711087)
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/may/21/women-cyclists-mos...

According to that article, there is a good chance that running red lights is doing the opposite. Maybe time you changed your assumptions and objections.

Re:Is It O.K. to Kill Cyclists? by mikeash on Monday November 11, 2013 @12:02PM (#6712573)
That's quite an interesting link, but I'm not sure that conclusion can be applied outside of London as there seem to be a lot of confounding factors involved.