Re:Ask HN: Do you want a pre-made tax avoidance structure (i...
by husein10 on Friday November 08, 2013 @04:27PM
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Let's not forget that US corporations are also obligated to maximize shareholder value. Reconciling these oftentimes conflicting edicts is hardly a trivial matter and this illustrates how black and white simplifications do not capture the underlying complexity of the issue.
Re:Ask HN: Do you want a pre-made tax avoidance structure (i...
by qsymmachus on Friday November 08, 2013 @04:42PM
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"Maximizing shareholder value" is as pernicious an idea now as the day Friedman uttered it. At least post-2009 it's universally recognized as such:
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-09-06/business/41816...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/28/maximizi...
You have responsibilities other than making money. Paying your dues as a citizen is one of them.
Re:Ask HN: Do you want a pre-made tax avoidance structure (i...
by husein10 on Friday November 08, 2013 @05:07PM
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Don't necessarily disagree with you about the usefulness (or lack thereof) of this idea. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Company for an illustration. But, however you want to characterize the idea, it is still an unavoidable constraint on US corporations. I only bring it up to illustrate the doctrinal ambiguity that is seen in almost every part of the law.
Re:Ask HN: Do you want a pre-made tax avoidance structure (i...
by qsymmachus on Friday November 08, 2013 @05:23PM
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I take your point. But what may seem ambiguous to a corporation is not at all ambiguous to most citizens – myself included – who tend to see such tax structures as an underhanded way to game the system.
To frame it in more pragmatic terms, deploying these tax structures may hurt a company more than it helps due to the opprobrium they attract. Of course it's difficult to quantify the effects of bad press. But not all decisions should boil down to a cost-benefit analysis – what's wrong is wrong.
Apple's tax structure rightly prompted outrage, and Ireland was shamed into closing the loophole: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24542794