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Re:TWTR by pfortuny on Thursday November 07, 2013 @12:21PM (#6690685)
I understand what you mean by "they lost out a fair bit of money". However, that is not exactly true.

They have failed to gain that (admittedly huge) chunk of dollars but they have lost nothing: the have the same money they started with and they never had any more than that. You only lose when you start with X and end up with X-Y, for positive Y.

They have probably missed the opportunity to gain more but that is their mistake (if it is a mistake).

Re:TWTR by hyperpape on Thursday November 07, 2013 @12:43PM (#6690876)
Well, two days ago, they owned n shares of assets that were sellable for $46 a share. Now they have n * 26.

They lost out, just as if I took your $20k new car and gave you $10k, you'd have lost out even though you have more cash.

Re:TWTR by pfortuny on Thursday November 07, 2013 @01:00PM (#6691038)
Did that information exist two days ago? Because if it did not exist, then there was no real $46 value. No REAL market (which is the place where information on value is) implies no monetary value (or a worthless one).

What happens is that they did not guess (and this is an important term, there is no inherent value in a guess) TODAY'S market's expectations correctly. But that has little to do with true monetary loss or gain.

Of course, their expectations today might be crushed. But personal expectations and hopes are not valuable as shares are.

Re:TWTR by hyperpape on Thursday November 07, 2013 @01:18PM (#6691198)
"REAL". I think it's a lot less clear what that means in this context than you apparently do.
Re:TWTR by pfortuny on Friday November 08, 2013 @09:33AM (#6696192)
That there were explicit people explicitly willing to buy those shares at that price. Exactly that. The explicit term is quite important. Secret information is not part of the market (it is not market information).
Re:TWTR by Tyrannosaurs on Thursday November 07, 2013 @04:36PM (#6692577)
Agreed, I should probably have said "there is a feeling they might have missed out on a lot of money".

It's not clear cut but the share price hitting $46 suggests that they could have floated successful at a higher price.

Re:TWTR by pfortuny on Friday November 08, 2013 @09:52AM (#6696333)
Absolutely true. However, markets are not that easily understood and implicit expectations are quite difficult to assess.

My opinion is that if they had not gone public, nobody would have bought their shares for $46 each. But this is a worthless statement :)

Re:TWTR by bcoates on Thursday November 07, 2013 @12:54PM (#6690984)
By that logic a random-trading machine that never bought the same security twice would never lose anything, despite reliably winding up with a very worthless portfolio.
Re:TWTR by pfortuny on Thursday November 07, 2013 @12:56PM (#6690998)
No, because you lose value, not shares. So X and Y are measured in $$ not in shares.