Re:Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"
by davidw on Thursday November 07, 2013 @04:56AM
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> Granting that, why bring Italy up them?
Because I live here and it's a very good example of proportional systems not being strictly better than what we have in the US.
> swap coalition partners and form a new majority coalition if a minor partner wants too much.
Easier said than done in many cases.
Granting that, why bring Italy up them?
> Very proportional systems have large problems of their own too, including all the "horse trading" that goes on to form a coalition.
Horse trading goes on to form a winning coalition in two-party systems, too (the major parties in electoral systems that create a two-competitive-party dynamic are, invariably, coalition parties); the difference is that, in such systems, the disporportionate power of the needed-to-win segment is less than in two-party systems, because its much easier -- because the factions are formal parties that you can negotiate with -- to swap coalition partners and form a new majority coalition if a minor partner wants too much.
(That's also, really -- outside of systems like the US where you've got an FPTP electoral system forcing pre-election coalition building -- a bigger issue in unitary parliamentary systems vs. separation of powers systems -- because having a majority coalition in parliament is a more significant issue in unitary systems whereas in separation of powers systems, ad hoc coalitions on particular issues can function in the legislature without requiring a stable "ruling" coalition in the legislature. So, if you are looking at an FPTP separation of powers system like the US, its a problem that moving to a proportionally-elected but still separation of powers system alleviates rather than making worse.)