Re:Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"
by rayiner on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @11:54AM
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U.S. law does follow U.S. citizens around the world, but only in certain circumstances does it apply to conduct abroad. For example, there is a law against U.S. citizens engaging in underage sex tourism abroad. But such laws are the exception. If you, e.g., murder someone in England, the U.S. can't hold you accountable under American law.
Your example is a bad one, because in your example the law is broken by conduct in the U.S. In this case, the splicing of the leased lines happened outside of the U.S.
Re:Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"
by snowwrestler on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @12:12PM
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The conduct in this case is not the fiber tapping, but the possession and use of U.S. citizen data by the NSA. It does not matter how they gather it, their restrictions are the same--they must limit and justify it.
Re:Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"
by rayiner on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @12:30PM
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The Google+ comment objects to the fiber tapping. It doesn't say anything about the use of U.S. citizen data, and the NSA asserts it has safeguards in place to filter out such data from foreign taps.
Re:Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"
by rmc on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @04:10PM
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It depends. Extradition is complicated and often has conditions, like requiring that the act was illegal both countries. Some countries will not extradite a citizen of the theirs (dual nationality comes into play here), and countries in Europe will not extradite to the usa if the death penalty is an option.
That's the minimum issue here--Google ships the data of U.S. citizens around the world, and the NSA knows it. They are trying to play a cute game by pretending to assume that if the GCHQ collects the data in the UK, the NSA can safely treat it as foreign data. We need to call them on it.