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Re:NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers world... by hexis on Wednesday October 30, 2013 @04:29PM (#6643147)
"My sense is that the people who make these policies really are "Beyond Elections". They are constants in our government."

Yes, these people are our fellow citizens. There is no conspiracy, merely functioning democracy.

Re:NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers world... by detcader on Wednesday October 30, 2013 @05:06PM (#6643396)
"functioning" democracy?? are you joking? do you know anything about campaign finance?
Re:NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers world... by hexis on Thursday October 31, 2013 @12:32PM (#6647779)
I know some bits about campaign finance, but I also know that most people I meet in the US care much more about physical security than they do about privacy/civil liberties/etc.. They vote for people who implement nasty policies and they do not make those votes because they have been tricked.
Re:NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers world... by jlgreco on Wednesday October 30, 2013 @05:13PM (#6643445)
"Citizen are involved" and "the democracy is not function as intended and/or there is a situation that can not be rectified democratically" are anything but mutually exclusive.
Re:NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers world... by hexis on Thursday October 31, 2013 @12:30PM (#6647767)
Yes, true. It is also true that sometimes citizens knowingly choose nasty policies and then sleep soundly at night with those policies in place. Like you, I also do not approve of the way the US has changed, but I try to avoid tricking myself into believing that many US citizens feel the same way I do.
Re:NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers world... by rhizome on Wednesday October 30, 2013 @05:35PM (#6643579)
It may be a functioning democracy to whatever degree, but is it still a constitutional republic?
Re:NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers world... by hexis on Thursday October 31, 2013 @12:27PM (#6647750)
It isn't, as far as I can tell. But I think that happened a very long time ago, to great acclaim.