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Re:Federal Prosecutors, in a Policy Shift, Cite Warrantless ... by pstuart on Saturday October 26, 2013 @03:35PM (#6618882)
Here's an interesting thought: maybe Obama's intentions are good but he's in a bubble of information and influences that corrupts his thoughts to overlook the the very concerns that alarm the crowd here at HN.

I'm of the naive opinion that he is not a sleeper muslim communist agent bent on destroying America; that he really wants to do the best he can for America.

He's not always right in his beliefs, but has been public about his intentions, e.g., continuing engagement in Afghanistan.

Re:Federal Prosecutors, in a Policy Shift, Cite Warrantless ... by jerf on Saturday October 26, 2013 @05:06PM (#6619367)
Well, I could construct a complicated theory in which his actions do not reflect who he "truly is"... but why would I? It's his actions that matter, and his actions on these matters have been pretty much unremittingly in favor of government power, no matter what curtain of glittering words he tries to draw over it.

If his "true self" doesn't match his actions... frankly, that's hardly even a "defense", that's just further damnation.

Re:Federal Prosecutors, in a Policy Shift, Cite Warrantless ... by tokenizer on Saturday October 26, 2013 @11:34PM (#6620653)
Do intentions even matter? I mean, this is the problem with only having a left and right divide. No talk of the authoritarian vs libertarian aspect of policy.

As far as I'm concerned, you elect an authoritarian on the left, to pacify that side, and pass authoritarian policies. To say that they're really good guys, and shouldn't be held accountable, is defending the status quo IMO.

Obama and the Supreme Court are pro authoritarianism, and will not question more power, nor will they dismantle it.

Re:Federal Prosecutors, in a Policy Shift, Cite Warrantless ... by jambo on Saturday October 26, 2013 @03:57PM (#6618982)
You set up and knock down a straw man. No one has suggested they subscribe to a "secret Muslim" conspiracy theory.
Re:Federal Prosecutors, in a Policy Shift, Cite Warrantless ... by pstuart on Saturday October 26, 2013 @04:44PM (#6619264)
So what is the angle that does support the notion that he acting with malice in his heart?

And if he's not acting in malice, why would he be doing what he's doing now when he is well-versed in the Constitution?

Note: I disagree with a lot of his policies (including this topic), I'm going for a first-principles thing here.

Re:Federal Prosecutors, in a Policy Shift, Cite Warrantless ... by vidarh on Saturday October 26, 2013 @06:50PM (#6619777)
Who here is suggesting malice? Assuming he believes he is doing what is right, a natural answer to your second question would be that he simply actually believes it is necessary in order to protect national security, and that this overrides any other concerns he might have about the programs.
Re:Federal Prosecutors, in a Policy Shift, Cite Warrantless ... by ufseagull on Saturday October 26, 2013 @10:19PM (#6620486)
As a two time Obama voter and lifetime Democrat, I wish I could agree. However, I just don't share the optimism.

There have been many opportunities for him to break through that bubble - it's not like there has complete silence on the issue. And what kind of President oversees constitutional breaches of this magnitude and then manages to overlook the entire issue? It's too big, too serious and too illegal for him to be some sort of innocent participant.

The relentless pursuit of whistleblowers, his unwillingness to address the NSA/4th amendment/etc debate on its merits, lack of movement on key policy fronts (anti-drug policy, DHS, serious financial system reform) - all of it indicates to me that while he is not a Muslim Communist Terrorist Baby Killer, he also does not espouse any of the left of center beliefs he held as a younger politician, and for someone who voted him in to see symbolic leadership and practical progress on all these issues, he has been a huge disappointment.

I personally will be campaigning heavily for independent candidates at most levels of government in the future. I will certainly never vote Democrat again. For someone who campaigns, votes, and participates in all areas of civic life, these last few years have left me very disillusioned.

Re:Federal Prosecutors, in a Policy Shift, Cite Warrantless ... by andreyf on Saturday October 26, 2013 @04:29PM (#6619182)
he's in a bubble of information and influences that corrupts his thoughts to overlook the the very concerns that alarm the crowd here at HN

I'm pretty sure Obama is better informed, has a more thorough background in constitutional law, and has spent significantly more time thinking about these issues than just about anyone in the crowd here on HN.

Re:Federal Prosecutors, in a Policy Shift, Cite Warrantless ... by ferdo on Saturday October 26, 2013 @08:01PM (#6620008)
You're welcome to your opinion. He strikes me as a man in over his head.