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Re:NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders by adventured on Friday October 25, 2013 @05:27AM (#6610573)
Virtual behavior modification and prediction. Inducing an entire culture to gradually change how it behaves, and its beliefs, through a mixture of opportunism on real events, simulated events, and trial balloons.

Some of that isn't new, but the ability to use vast computing resources to map behavior prediction of 300 million people to an accurate degree, is.

They no longer need your friends, family and neighbors to rat you out as a traitor (terrorist sympathizer?). They already know everything you have said, everywhere you have been, and everything you've done.

ARGUS is very new. And it's a required cornerstone of behavior control. They'll have a hard time dictating who you are, if they don't know where you are at all times.

The ideal fascist state is one of total compliance. A step forward for them would be to accomplish that with even less bloodshed, by essentially brain washing an entire culture toward a new way of thinking (war is peace, slavery is freedom). Not just empty slogans, posters, and fear, but actual belief across an entire culture.

When you look at the near complete lack of protest against the rise of the fascist state in America, you can see they're already well on their way to having accomplished that.

Re:NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders by w_t_payne on Friday October 25, 2013 @09:17AM (#6611364)
At first glance, this all seems to be rather tinfoil-hattish and implausible. Mind you, after what we have learned in the past few months, who knows?

Here is an interesting cue for how social network information can be used to control the spread of unwanted ideologies & behaviours through a population: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNrOzgNWf4&feature=share

If anything like this was going on (and I am making no accusations; this is all speculation), then I suspect that it would work using mechanisms similar to those described in the above video.

No implausible high-technology mind control would be required, just the simple & conventional tools of the marketing/advertising/targeted-persuasion industry, directed towards a relatively small group of people, identified through the very surveillance mechanisms that have so recently been revealed to the world.

It is a pretty cool concept really, and (if we trust the people pulling the trigger), infinitely preferable to violent conflict. Better to counter the spread of hostile, dangerous and violent ideologies before there is loss of life, damage to property, economic disruption etc...

The key thing here is trust. Weirdly enough, I am normally* inclined to trust (the majority of) NSA & GCHQ staffers. My main concerns normally revolve around the proliferation of such technologies to groups and individuals with less noble aims.

* (Sometimes I get a bit depressed and cynical. At times like these I tend to reflect on the worst aspects of human nature, and the level of trust that I am capable of mustering drops in a corresponding manner).

Re:NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders by venomsnake on Friday October 25, 2013 @10:07AM (#6611652)
The fascist state is not rising in America. Fascism is ideology not way of governing a country. Since USSR was oppressive too is like saying the communist state is raising in America.

What USA is having is the possibility of devolving into totalitarian state, but what ideology will rule it is yet to be seen IF that happens.

The moment when a drone kills US citizen on US soil without judicial oversight you will know that that danger is real. But you are still far far away from that.

Re:NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders by jessaustin on Monday October 28, 2013 @08:59AM (#6626598)
The moment when a drone kills US citizen on US soil without judicial oversight you will know that that danger is real. But you are still far far away from that.

What, six months? Three years? What can be done, will. It's possible it's already happened but isn't yet deemed appropriate for public knowledge. When it is, either for the intimidation factor or because it's become so widespread it can't be hidden, the copfan broadcast media will celebrate it rather than question it.

Re:NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders by krylonkid on Friday October 25, 2013 @01:47PM (#6613225)
Whining is a pathetically accepted pastime in Europe. It assures they will never do anything about their position in the world, which should be equal or more with the US, and condemns them to live in a world where they are helpless.
Re:NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders by moocowduckquack on Friday October 25, 2013 @02:53PM (#6613708)
We only settled into our long period of whining after stomping round the world and setting fire to bits of it whenever people complained. I sort of prefer us in our current mode.
Re:NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders by krylonkid on Friday October 25, 2013 @03:09PM (#6613821)
Fair enough. Hopefully the US will eventually pull back and take better care of ourselves regardless of the consequences for Europe.
Re:NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders by moocowduckquack on Friday October 25, 2013 @03:27PM (#6613929)
It would probably get a bit safer.
Re:NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders by krylonkid on Friday October 25, 2013 @04:39PM (#6614441)
Weakness provokes aggressors.
Re:NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders by cpeterso on Friday October 25, 2013 @09:31PM (#6615838)
So does state aggression.
Re:NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders by moocowduckquack on Friday October 25, 2013 @12:12PM (#6612470)
I wonder who is playing the role of Hari Seldon.
Re:NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders by invalidOrTaken on Friday October 25, 2013 @07:51PM (#6615492)