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Re:Ask PG: Do you still see value in traditional PR? by pg on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @05:30PM (#66008)
It's still valuable, especially for larger companies, but no longer critical for newly founded startups. You probably shouldn't pay for PR till you have enough money that it doesn't hurt.
Re:Ask PG: Do you still see value in traditional PR? by rams on Thursday October 11, 2007 @12:11AM (#66139)
But, the YC startups themselves seem to be the beneficiaries of excellent PR efforts, appearing in Time, Newsweek etc. Somebody who is equally smart, but not YC-funded will not get this kind of visibility. I just quit from a startup funded by VCs and led by a Harvard M.B.A. While working there, I realized that we were no smarter than our competitors, yet managed to hit the headlines every now and then, for reasons that I didn't quite understand. Since a lot of investors, and at times even enterprise customers display herd mentality, this does make a difference. For instance if on the strength of it's PR efforts a startup manages to make a sale to an enterprise customer, it's valuation does go up, No ?
Re:Ask PG: Do you still see value in traditional PR? by JohnN on Thursday October 11, 2007 @04:57AM (#66198)
It seems to me that two startups can have be roughly the same in terms of how good it is, but one gets much better PR. Maybe PR only matters all things being equal.

I am thinking of PR strategies for my startup, any ideas? BTW its an open source newspaper

Re:Ask PG: Do you still see value in traditional PR? by rms on Thursday October 11, 2007 @05:15AM (#66201)
How is your startup different from Wikinews?

Here is one PR idea that I've never actually tried, though I would be very curious to see if it worked. Write a press release about the problem your startup is solving in the style of a human-interest story. Try and put a human face on the story. Send it to every local newspaper in America and see what happens.

Re:Ask PG: Do you still see value in traditional PR? by JohnN on Thursday October 11, 2007 @11:46AM (#66298)
its different because there are profiles, voting, comments plus we are focused on comment and opinion
Re:Ask PG: Do you still see value in traditional PR? by thomasptacek on Thursday October 11, 2007 @12:44AM (#66146)
Have you ever worked with a PR firm that was actually worth the money? I've worked directly with 4 in the past and got fuck-all from it, but we're handling our own press now and kicking ass.
Re:Ask PG: Do you still see value in traditional PR? by phony_identity on Thursday October 11, 2007 @01:35AM (#66156)
Viaweb's PR firm is discussed in the fourth paragraph here: http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html
Re:Ask PG: Do you still see value in traditional PR? by thomasptacek on Thursday October 11, 2007 @11:22AM (#66284)
Schwartz. Perfect example. The government-issued PR firm for Boston companies. Competed with 2 companies simultaneously repped by them. Saw, maybe, 5? trade press hits between the two of them.

We didn't do much better, because we were also repped by a PR company, and playing the same pasteurized process press food strategy as the rest of them.

Which is my point. Wasting money on a jaded middleman to circulate press releases every time you make a dot release isn't something you should aspire to do when you can afford it, and PR isn't something you should avoid doing now.

My current company, a tiny startup, is in Forbes, Wired, EWeek, Network Computing, Inforworld, Baseline, not to mention Slashdot, Digg, and Reddit. Didn't spend a dime to do it. Definitely got lucky, but there's also definitely a trick to doing it.

I agree with the "survey" trick Graham talks about. I've seen that work over and over again.

Re:Ask PG: Do you still see value in traditional PR? by herdrick on Saturday October 13, 2007 @06:21AM (#67260)
What's your startup? What is your trick or tricks? Speak freely!
Re:Ask PG: Do you still see value in traditional PR? by mooneater on Friday October 12, 2007 @01:41AM (#66716)
thomasptacek, I read the submarine essay, and also googled for the "survey" trick, but I cant find it.. can you provide a reference?
Re:Ask PG: Do you still see value in traditional PR? by thomasptacek on Friday October 12, 2007 @02:23AM (#66732)
Sorry, my fault for being incoherent. Look for the word "coup" in "Submarine". Viaweb injected a factoid into the, uh, press-o-sphere. Reporters love new factoids.

What I see work, over and over again, is companies manufacturing surveys or studies that come up with numbers and metrics about the market, like, "20,000 enterprises are deploying technology to stop the Storm worm". Some companies will do annual press releases about an official-sounding report they generate, like, "Weboopia's 5th Annual Twitter Study Concludes 4,897,489,281 Messages Delivered Over Twitter In 2007".