Maybe a strange question: I'm getting very tired of those mood movies because it's not me. I'm more interested in the movies shown on conversations.nokia.com because it's showing what the device can and does.

Now I'm wondering does this kind of mood advertising work? And for what audience does it work?

What exactly is interesting here? I like the LTE, but the screen resolution is below par (granted, it looks good on the 7" Nexus 7!). The industrial design looks nice, but I don't think I'd give it a second glance in 2013. Windows RT is also a pretty big turnoff - I'm underwhelmed by the app selection in the Play store, so stepping into the "3rd place" app store is pretty unthinkable to me.

Another video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO8uMPAV_d0

It's a tablet. And its a post iPad tablet.

I fail to see what is so impressive about it.

Well the assumption that post-iPad tablets cannot be impressive is ludicrous to me. Nexus 7 is impressive. This tablet in particular: Beautiful and sharp design, cyan color is attractive, it has outlook on the go, and most of all that book cover type of keyboard cover is impressive as seen in the videos. You are allowed to see it as mediocre tablet, but basing it on it being post-iPad is not good. One massive shortcoming is the app situation on Windows platform, which takes the sheen off this tablet.

Nokia also ran.

See what I did there? I summarized the entire PR exercise in 3 words.

Thanks Nokia PR team.

Uncalled for, I just wanted to know more about the tablet and posted that here for others. I do not take kindly to your disparaging remark.

I don't usually post comments like that, but I thought yours deserved it. I've never seen a whole list of specs like that being copy pasted on HN. It just comes off as a desperate attempt to promote a product. The specs were already in the linked article for crying out loud...

Your comment on content was spot on, but you get douche bag points for accusing someone of being a shill without any kind of evidence. This isn't reddit.

You are the one crying out loud here, and massively. Also does this mean, toshio, janezstupar and you are on either Apple or Google's PR team.

The list was not copied in the original comment, I was looking for videos, but could not get a hands-on, hence posted nokia youtube videos and the spec list. I left the computer, and when came back to see it, could not edit the spec list out.

Then you shoud take care to not make your posts look like a blatant astroturf.

What I mean is that you have wasted a whole display worth of real estate that could be used for meaningful conversation, while the data you provided could be accessed by a simple click to a single link, or by executing a simple google query.

This is not your average forum, we aspire to higher standards.

I am not accountable to you. People liked it, they voted it. You do not like the comment and the tablet, hence are throwing blatant allegation of astroturfing. I am just a simple engineer trying to make a living from engineering surfaces. I come on HN because I like some tech, and have used it extensively. But wow you are just throwing allegation that I am being on payroll of either Nokia or MS, just vicious man. I do not need to tone down my language to appease you.

"This is not your average forum, we aspire to higher standards."

higher standards? Like you throwing accusations? Yeah, because you collectively represent HN. There are posters which post high quality content making it a good forum. But making yourself out as a torch-bearer of some sort while on the same time passing caustic remarks.

The mere fact of how soon this story got flagged off the front page proves that it is not high quality content.

Pity that cooldeals and recoiledsnake don't even bother showing up these days. They had quite a few examples where articles that were favorable (or heck, even non-negative) to Microsoft consistently got flagged off the front page. There's a pretty strong anti-MS voting contingent on here, and they'd call it out every time it happened.

And for that they'd be accused of being, I kid you not, "Microsoft zealots"!

I remember that one of my first interaction on this site was with recoiledsnake in fact, where he pointed towards said anti-MS nature of this site. Today, I have been accused of being a shill 3 times. I totally feel how it must have been for those guys. I can totally accuse them of being apple or google PR people, without any credible evidence, it seems.

It was high quality content. It didn't get removed from the front page because of the content of the story. Rather, because of comments like yours.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6596311

> I always find it funny when new members of a community assail veterans with accusations of eternal September type of behaviour.

You new people and your eternal September behavior...

Because Engadget is such a crappy tech site now? Disgusting.

My flag was not nearly enough and it had nothing to do with endgaged, but with thread quality.

Just because you guys took a dump on the submit doesn't mean it deserved to be flagged. Seriously, I've never thought of HN as an immature reddit/slashdot-like place before today, and I've been on for much longer than you.

Wow, pretentious much? You want his posts catered directly to you so that you don't become suspicious, and you call him out asking him to meet your "higher standards"? You're right, we do aspire to higher standards. I wouldn't say your posts always fit that bill though.

We had a similar post recently for a new Apple phone. I don't remember seeing any accusations of astro-turfing on that occasion.

Because I wasn't participating in that thread. Else I would have complained and flagged just the same.

I'll take your word for it. But you have to be careful with your enthusiasm, because microsoft and satellites are known for their aggressive astroturfing, and you might sound like a paid shill.

"microsoft and satellites are known for their aggressive astroturfing" "paid shill"

Slashdot beginnings on HN.

I always find it funny when new members of a community assail veterans with accusations of eternal September type of behaviour.

Because the date on the account tells you how long somebody's been lurking, or if they had previous accounts.

I have been lurking here since about 2 years before you created your account (see what I did there?), and while comparisons with Reddit may have been misplaced, comparisons with Slashdot look more and more apt to me.