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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by sbuk on Monday October 21, 2013 @03:24AM (#6583890)
Monopoly is not antitrust. Abusing control of a market is. A monopoly (which is usually considered to be dominance if a market place) is not itself unlawful.
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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by AJ007 on Monday October 21, 2013 @11:06AM (#6585996)
This sounds like an antitrust issue:

"This makes life extremely difficult for the only company brazen enough to sell an Android fork in the west: Amazon. Since the Kindle OS counts as an incompatible version of Android, no major OEM is allowed to produce the Kindle Fire for Amazon. So when Amazon goes shopping for a manufacturer for its next tablet, it has to immediately cross Acer, Asus, Dell, Foxconn, Fujitsu, HTC, Huawei, Kyocera, Lenovo, LG, Motorola, NEC, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Toshiba, and ZTE off the list. Currently, Amazon contracts Kindle manufacturing out to Quanta Computer, a company primarily known for making laptops. Amazon probably doesn't have many other choices"

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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by dsuth on Monday October 21, 2013 @05:24PM (#6588318)
Yeah, that's a serious problem for me, essentially using their leverage with the Google platform to keep competitors out of the market. Not cool Google.
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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by alexeisadeski3 on Monday October 21, 2013 @05:15AM (#6584314)
Anti trust is the legislation policing monopolies, at least in the US, and it is such legislation which I consider bunk.
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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by sbuk on Monday October 21, 2013 @07:48AM (#6584819)
Antitrust laws exist to enable greater competition by stopping businesses behaving in an anticompetative manner. They don't necessarily exist for "policing monoploies" anywhere in the world.

>"and it is such legislation which I consider bunk"

Why? Don't you think that Microsoft should have been reprimanded over their abuse of the OS market to gain control of the browser market?

Or is it because it's being held over $favorite_faceless_corp like the proverbial sword of Damocles?

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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by throwawaykf on Monday October 21, 2013 @09:22AM (#6585280)
To be fair, Microsoft also created a browser that, for its time, is pretty widely accepted (even around here!) as being much better than the Netscape counterpart. So while they did throw their weight around, it's not clear that their browser dominance was purely because of their OS monopoly. There were many other ways that Microsoft was leveraging its monopoly which deserved antitrust scrutiny, but I think bundling a browser was the wrong thing to be prosecuted for.
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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by sbuk on Monday October 21, 2013 @12:53PM (#6586714)
I agree totally that IE 4 was a browser ahead of it's time, however Microsoft were shown to have needlesly integrated it into their OS and then told OEMs that their Windows licenses would be revoked if they sold PC with Navigator pre-installed. I'd say they were lucky not to be broken up!
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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by scholia on Wednesday October 23, 2013 @11:08AM (#6599172)
The problem there was that Microsoft had already signed a consent decree with Janet Reno's DoJ which specifically allowed them to expand the OS but forbade them from tying.

However, Microsoft also rewrote IE into componentized form, so that components (eg the rendering engine) could be used by other applications, including third-party programs. This was considered a Good Thing at the time (it won the deal with AOL, for example) and made integration (as opposed to tying) a reasonable claim. This is, of course, independent of the way Microsoft handled the argument in court, which was very, very badly.

In sum, whatever Microsoft did was not independent of the actions of the US government, whose interference had extremely bad results for consumers. This includes the crapware explosion that resulted from the DoJ's removal of Microsoft's power over OEMs.

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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by alexeisadeski3 on Monday October 21, 2013 @01:37PM (#6587001)
>Don't you think that Microsoft should have been reprimanded over their abuse of the OS market to gain control of the browser market?

Absolutely not!

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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by sbuk on Monday October 21, 2013 @02:26PM (#6587301)
Why?
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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by alexeisadeski3 on Monday October 21, 2013 @08:30PM (#6589115)
It's their OS, they can do as they please.

As history showed, there wasn't even an MS monopoly in existence. OSX became viable in the early oughts, Linux was always around, and now people write of the death of the PC.

Regardless, abuse of market dominance (note I don't use the overused 'M' word) increases incentives for competitors to enter the marketplace.

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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by sbuk on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @06:17AM (#6590785)
It's got nothing to do with monopoly!!! Apple or Linux have nothing to do with it; the ruling being for behaviour in the period that preceded 2000. Microsoft were in a dominant position in one market and leveraged this dominace to gain dominance in another. This is anti-competative. for the final time; a monopoly is not illeagal in and of itself, neither is it antitrust.
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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by scholia on Wednesday October 23, 2013 @11:14AM (#6599210)
There's actually no evidence that your claim about leverage is true. Microsoft simply built a better browser and marketed it better than Netscape.

It's also a fact that the DoJ lost the browser case: it was overturned 2-1 on appeal.

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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by alexeisadeski3 on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @12:14PM (#6592891)
Looks like someone didn't read my post :)
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Re:Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by... by sbuk on Wednesday October 23, 2013 @04:31AM (#6597597)
Looks like someone isn't reading anything!
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