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Re:Google shares hit $1,000 after strong earnings by grey-area on Friday October 18, 2013 @05:28PM (#6574123)
Is there just one normal result there on that entire screen? Ouch.
Re:Google shares hit $1,000 after strong earnings by dekhn on Friday October 18, 2013 @05:39PM (#6574186)
How many people typing [ sofa ] want generic information about sofas, compared to people buying sofas. The keyword drips ads.
Re:Google shares hit $1,000 after strong earnings by lsc on Friday October 18, 2013 @10:53PM (#6575142)
Do you want the product that is considered the best value, the product that is the most popular? or do you want the product that the retailers are willing to pay the most to get you to buy?

Google (well, I shouldn't pick on google. All brokers of advertising) optimize to push you towards the product that their customers are willing to pay the highest ad rates for.

Of course, In a company concerned with it's long-term reputation, googlers will point out, this is modulated by a knowledge that they need annoy the customer less than any alternative.

My point is that an ad is always going to cause the broker to have a conflict between what the user needs and what the customer is willing to pay for, while an organic search result (unless it competes with an ad, which it often does) does not cause that conflict for the ad broker.

Re:Google shares hit $1,000 after strong earnings by groby_b on Friday October 18, 2013 @11:15PM (#6575181)
Then you'd search for "sofa with best value" and "most popular sofa". And lo and behold, the results look quite different.
Re:Google shares hit $1,000 after strong earnings by lsc on Saturday October 19, 2013 @03:11AM (#6575640)
Are you disagreeing with my assertion that there is a conflict of interest between the consumer and the advertiser?
Re:Google shares hit $1,000 after strong earnings by bobbydavid on Saturday October 19, 2013 @02:02PM (#6577209)
Your assertion would be better phrased as a conflict between short term and long term interests of the advertiser. That is, the short term interest of making money at the expense of the long term interest in retaining users. In the long term, consumers and advertisers interests are aligned: consumers want the best service they can find and advertisers want to give it to them.
Re:Google shares hit $1,000 after strong earnings by lsc on Saturday October 19, 2013 @08:44PM (#6578558)
>consumers and advertisers interests are aligned: consumers want the best service they can find and advertisers want to give it to them.

Huh? Advertisers want to make as much money as possible. Consumers want to pay as little as possible for the best goods.

This is a fundamental conflict for a company that has no way to add value for the consumer.

First? google only displays ads from companies that pay them for ads. Next? they order those ads by how much money they can make from those ads.

Do you really think that how much a company is willing to pay to get a consumer to see an ad has anything to do with how good of a deal that product is? If anything, the relationship is going to be inverse. I'll pay you more for a high-margin customer than a low-margin customer.

Re:Google shares hit $1,000 after strong earnings by dspeyer on Friday October 18, 2013 @07:25PM (#6574613)
Only one normal, but the maps and shopping that take up most of the space are still organic results, and probably more useful than the 'normal' ones.
Re:Google shares hit $1,000 after strong earnings by vdaniuk on Saturday October 19, 2013 @09:01AM (#6576242)
There is no inherent conflict of interest between consumer and advertiser. There are conflicts of interest a between some consumers and advertisers. That is the point -- web search monetization is more complex than "ZOMG too many ads"
Re:Google shares hit $1,000 after strong earnings by arkitaip on Friday October 18, 2013 @06:36PM (#6574440)
It's because the query is terrible. I mean, do you want to see pictures of sofas, buy one or what?