Working on It (TextMate)

Re:Working on It (TextMate) by crux on Sunday June 14, 2009 @11:05AM (#657136)

A surprisingly thoughtful post. This is a non-unknown genre—the stagnant software mea culpa—but I think he strikes a good and elegant tone. On the one hand, it's rare for a developer to acknowledge that they've been remiss in maintaining public contact, and even to enlist outside help for that specific purpose. But at the same time, he's obviously not at all concerned with letting actual releases of the software dry up while he methodically refurnishes the whole app. For a really hyped-up application like Textmate, whose users are going to be quite vocally clamoring for both their own pet features as well as beta and alpha releases ASAP, that too is impressive.

Of course, I've long since found my home in MacVim, so maybe I'm simply enjoying my lack of expectations from him.

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by jrockway on Sunday June 14, 2009 @11:11AM (#657142)

For a really hyped-up application like Textmate, whose users are going to be quite vocally clamoring for both their own pet features as well as beta and alpha

This is why open-source editors have made closed-source editors all but extinct. There are just too many things to do for one person, or even one group of people.

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by ableal on Sunday June 14, 2009 @01:52PM (#657338)

For those who want to buy an editor for MS Windows (besides the reliable warhorse UltraEdit), this may be interesting: http://www.sublimetext.com/

I liked what I saw 18 months ago, in particular the overview pane, but the author seemed to let it ... rest. The website main pages still give that impression, but I just looked and the author is active in the forum and pushing out betas.

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by eli on Sunday June 14, 2009 @11:55AM (#657202)

all but extinct

Microsoft Visual Studio seems to be doing OK

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by jarrodtaylor on Sunday June 14, 2009 @01:31PM (#657309)

yeah, but can you name many others?

Coda is doing well, and Espresso had a pretty big release recently.

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by jrockway on Sunday June 14, 2009 @01:26PM (#657303)

This is an outlier, since the Windows stack is so closed in general. I think a large number of VS users use it because they are forced to by their environment choice (or employer).

I tend to think of editors like TextMate, emacs, and vim to be chosen by people who invest some thought into making the decision, rather than by people that are forced to use something for work.

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by eli on Sunday June 14, 2009 @02:23PM (#657377)

Perhaps it's an outlier in that the language is more closed than most (and that this gives MS a pretty huge advantage over other IDE makers), but VS really is the best environment for developing .NET. That's why people pay for it, not because management forced it on them.

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by jrockway on Monday June 15, 2009 @01:04AM (#657965)

The question then is, "Why the closed .NET stack" and not Java or Mono.

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by cosmo7 on Sunday June 14, 2009 @05:22PM (#657567)

> since the Windows stack is so closed in general

Huh? What about NetBeans or Eclipse? There is tons of open software for Windows.

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by bretthoerner on Sunday June 14, 2009 @01:23PM (#657296)

One example in a sea of corpses...

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by Zev on Sunday June 14, 2009 @01:31PM (#657308)

Xcode is doing decently well too... And TextMate or CSSEdit or Coda or Espresso or BBEdit...

The "Open source killed closed source" argument doesn't really apply to Mac OS X. Sure, there's Smultron or MacVim or Aquamacs, but they're not really the most popular of text editors (looking at GUI-based ones).

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by tumult on Sunday June 14, 2009 @01:25PM (#657301)

yeah, but can you name many others?

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by eli on Sunday June 14, 2009 @02:25PM (#657382)

"All but extinct" is a little strong. That's all I'm saying. A few million people paid bug bucks for Visual Studio.

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by jmtulloss on Sunday June 14, 2009 @03:51PM (#657477)

XCode

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by jrockway on Monday June 15, 2009 @01:34PM (#658726)

I guess the proprietary stacks use proprietary editors, and the open stacks tend to use open editors.

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by jussij on Sunday June 14, 2009 @07:26PM (#657701)

On Windows, Zeus is alive and well - http://www.zeusedit.com

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by axod on Sunday June 14, 2009 @05:15PM (#657559)

I reluctantly use textmate. If you can show me any open source editor that just works on OSX, I'll gladly use it (Closest I've found is jedit).

I just want a simple, easy to use, easy to learn, UI based editor with syntax highlighting.

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by iron_ball on Monday June 15, 2009 @11:10AM (#658499)

So what's wrong with jEdit? I've used it on Windows, OSX, and Linux and found it identical in each. It has highly customizable syntax highlighting, and is easy to learn. (Some seem to find the UI ugly, but I don't.)

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by axod on Monday June 15, 2009 @11:39AM (#658536)

I've tried to install it on latest OSX 10.5.7 a few times, can't get it to work at all. I used it happily on my old macbook, but no dice now :/

Maybe I should try harder.

I do like the way TextMate opens a directory tree and has it to the left or right of the edit pane, can jedit do that?

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Re:Working on It (TextMate) by iron_ball on Wednesday June 24, 2009 @12:20PM (#672315)

Yep. Integrated file browser, fairly powerful. Dockable wherever, or floating pane. Under Utilities.

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