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Re:Think piracy is killing the music industry? This chart su... by williamcotton on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @05:13PM (#6517897)
Your reputation for presumption precedes you

Troll much? But I'll bite anyways...

Where did I ever say that you don't need to practice alone? I've been performing on stage for decades. No matter how many hours I put in alone on my instrument, it still won't prepare me for playing with other musicians. No matter how many hours I put in practicing in a rehearsal room with other musicians, it still doesn't prepare me for playing on a stage in front of audience. The only time I notice that I'm getting better at performing on a stage to an audience is when I'm... I mean, for fuck's sake, do I need to continue? What is going on here?

This entire discussion we're having is completely irrelevant.

Back on track:

The author of the article at hand is making a blanket statement of "look, record sales are down, but concert sales are up, so there you go, there's the solution! there's no problem!". I'm countering, using real world experience, that he is completely ignorant as to how the music industry has been functioning, how it is functioning today, and where it is heading.

The music industry is currently in a state of epic dysfunction. There is no point to an art form that was developed for shipping plastic discs around when the industry that led to this art form is being dismantled. Music and musicians will change. The industry and the current art form are dying. New art forms will emerge to deal with the changing landscape of the marketplace and culture.

Re:Think piracy is killing the music industry? This chart su... by vectorpush on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @06:01PM (#6518104)
Troll much? But I'll bite anyways...

No, it's not a troll, you called me an armchair musician when you know nothing about me, that is presumptuous. In your original post you concluded that anyone who disagrees with you "doesn't know what's going on", also presumptuous.

Where did I ever say that you don't need to practice alone?

To quote you verbatim: "Practice does not make you a good stage performer."

I think that statement pretty clearly asserts that practice does not contribute to performance quality. If you want to retract that statement, go ahead, but don't pretend like you didn't just say it.

Practicing in a room, without an audience, does NOT make you good at anything other than practicing in a room without an audience.

Another stellar quote, but ultimately a meaningless tautology intended to downplay the role of technical discipline in favor of experience on the stage. Once again, nobody cares about your stagecraft if you get up on stage to perform Little Brown Jug.

No matter how many hours I put in alone on my instrument, it still won't prepare me for playing with other musicians.

Right... but playing with other musicians will. What is your point? You don't need a record label to practice with your band.

No matter how many hours I put in practicing in a rehearsal room with other musicians, it still doesn't prepare me for playing on a stage in front of audience.

I apologize if English is not your first language, but you need to research the definition of the word "rehearsal" before you argue that many hours of rehearsal with other musicians doesn't prepare you for a live performance. Practicing in preparation for a live performance is the literal definition of rehearsal.

This entire discussion we're having is completely irrelevant.

Your central argument is that piracy has made record labels scared to invest in risky music, and this is killing the music industry because the only way to become a good performer is to use an infusion of record label cash to tour till you become good enough to make a profit touring. I rejected this claim as bullshit because any intellectually honest person will admit that the most critical part of a concert is the actual music (you know, the primary product a musician is tasked with producing), something that has zero connection to VC money.

Re:Think piracy is killing the music industry? This chart su... by skore on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @05:39PM (#6518014)
> The industry and the current art form are dying.

The record selling industry is dying, correct. Music as an art form dying? What the heck are you talking about and/or smoking?

The record selling industry latched onto music, the art form. Now that it fails, it will fall off like the bloodsucking tick it always was.

Trying to draw conclusions form that for the art form itself is ludicrous.

Re:Think piracy is killing the music industry? This chart su... by williamcotton on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @05:55PM (#6518082)
Dude... there are MANY kinds of musical art forms... pop songs, concertos, symphonies, ballets, operas, musicals.... our current "music industry" is based completely around the art form known as the "pop song".

I'm sorry I didn't make myself as clear as I thought. I'm now realizing that most people do not have a functional definition for the word "art form".

Re:Think piracy is killing the music industry? This chart su... by skore on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @01:44AM (#6519610)
No, granting for a second that you are indeed just a little mixed up on the terminology: what you need to realize is that you completely messed up your whole argument by phrasing it in a way that only you yourself could clearly understand. Otherwise known as a failure to communicate. Paddling back now makes it seem like you want to change the history of how this discussion went down instead of admitting that you might have started on a wrong premise.

Own your mistake instead of blaming everybody else and accept the very valid arguments that people are having with your position. It's called "learning".