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Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by JulianMorrison on Monday October 07, 2013 @04:34PM (#6511055)
Name one example, please.

Said example must include:

* open source implementation released to the public

* author did not directly do anything obviously illegal, or profit by anyone else doing it

* overwhelming force under colour of law

Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by donpark on Monday October 07, 2013 @05:06PM (#6511276)
Isamu Kaneko who wrote Winny [1], a popular Japanese P2P program, while working as a research assistant at University of Tokyo was persecuted and harassed until he died of heart attack this year. He did not profit at all from Winny.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winny

Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by ChrisClark on Monday October 07, 2013 @04:52PM (#6511177)
There was this guy: http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/programmer-sentenced-to...

* He built some software to upload images to a web site.

* A porn site then used it without his knowledge.

* He was sentenced to death.

Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by JulianMorrison on Monday October 07, 2013 @04:53PM (#6511181)
* in Iran.

Miss a detail, change the story.

Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by xnxn on Monday October 07, 2013 @05:37PM (#6511446)
More like change the goalposts. The example meets your criteria.
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by andrewflnr on Monday October 07, 2013 @07:03PM (#6511920)
GP is trying to make decisions, or help others make them. Granted, they should have specified the US or something, but don't act like an incident in Iran should be relevant to their own risk assessment, or to anyone else not living in Iran.
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by pavel_lishin on Monday October 07, 2013 @05:10PM (#6511302)
Is your point that all of us live in the United States?
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by 67726e on Monday October 07, 2013 @09:32PM (#6512450)
I think his point is that most of us do not live in a religious autocracy.
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by Natsu on Monday October 07, 2013 @10:09PM (#6512594)
You shouldn't put it that way or you're going to make people restate the original question...
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by toomuchtodo on Monday October 07, 2013 @05:08PM (#6511290)
Protip: Don't live in Iran. /s
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by dobbsbob on Monday October 07, 2013 @11:06PM (#6512790)
Satoshi - creator of bitcoin

Purposely remained anonymous because he knew they would target him. Bitcoin foundation claims that as creator of Bitcoin, he is liable for every transaction under new FinCen laws being considered. https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=163

It would help if the author of this software doesn't call it 'Silk Rd 2.0' or reference online narcotics trade in any way. It should be called 'P2P open marketplace' which makes a huge difference during your trial when they claim you purposely set it up to violate US law instead of being able to argue you are an innocent software developer. Just look at weev's trial how they manipulated everything he said on IRC to make him look as criminal as possible.

Stephen Watt (the_uT) also merely wrote a piece of software he didn't use himself, nor did he profit from and he went to prison after Albert Gonzales used it to steal a ton of money with. It was sort of released to the public, dumped in an IRC room

Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by forgingahead on Monday October 07, 2013 @04:54PM (#6511189)
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And in these cases, when risk is unbounded, it is better to be cautious. Simple antifragility heuristic. [1]

[1] http://www.amazon.com/Antifragile-Things-That-Gain-Disorder/...

Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by kybernetikos on Monday October 07, 2013 @05:17PM (#6511343)
I've heard that there are magic pan-dimensional pixies that will destroy the universe and potentially other universes if you post another link to a book on amazon today.

It might not be true, but remember, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and this is a case where risk really is unbounded, so you better be cautious.

Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by smoyer on Monday October 07, 2013 @05:39PM (#6511468)
He didn't even include an affiliate link ... what is this world coming to?
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by JulianMorrison on Monday October 07, 2013 @05:00PM (#6511220)
Near-complete absence is strong Bayesian evidence against an assertion whose grammar implies universality: «This is exactly what "they" do». You would expect it to be common if the assertion were true.
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by mistercow on Monday October 07, 2013 @05:39PM (#6511466)
>Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Man, I really wish people would stop saying this. It's just completely false. It's a basic result of probability theory that if A is evidence of B, ¬A is evidence of ¬B.

Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by fmatin on Monday October 07, 2013 @06:05PM (#6511620)
That would be true if evidence were a one-to-one relationship but since it's many-to-one, you can't conclusively state !B.
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by SoftwareMaven on Monday October 07, 2013 @06:48PM (#6511846)
That's the difference between "is evidence of" and "proves". You cannot conclusively state !B, but you can say there is evidence of !B.
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by baddox on Monday October 07, 2013 @08:40PM (#6512262)
Only naively. If there is a clear reason why there is no evidence of absence (e.g. no one has ever looked for evidence), I don't see how this "basic result" is true in any meaningful way.
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by mistercow on Monday October 07, 2013 @09:27PM (#6512437)
No, not only naively. Absolutely.

The trick is that the strength of the evidence is not equivalent. It is not correct to say "Evidence of strong evidence is strong evidence of absence". More generally, A is strong evidence of B does not imply that ¬A is strong evidence of ¬B.

Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by StavrosK on Monday October 07, 2013 @07:05PM (#6511927)
Indeed. The alternative would be "we have no evidence that B is happening, therefore we can conclude that it is more likely to be happening than if we had evidence that it was happening."
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by jlgreco on Monday October 07, 2013 @08:23PM (#6512204)
It is important to consider the chance of us having evidence of B, assuming that B was actually happening.

We have an absence of evidence for æther, but we are pretty certain that if it exists, we would have evidence of it. Our confidence of that is strong enough to state with some confidence that æther does not exist. For practical intents and purposes, we can say that the absence of evidence of æther is evidence that it does not exist.

Not all absences of evidence are made equal, some are more significant than others.

Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by knewter on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @05:51AM (#6513848)
ERM... `a -> b` == `^b -> ^a`. what are you even talking about?
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by mistercow on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @10:46AM (#6515310)
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by VMG on Monday October 07, 2013 @05:04PM (#6511252)
Please don't drag Taleb into this. His philosophy clearly does not encourage paranoia like this.

Otherwise all crypto projects are off limits, including Tor and Bitcoin

Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by bigiain on Monday October 07, 2013 @06:42PM (#6511809)
Absense of evidence of " … if only to brutally discourage anyone else from trying it." is a damning enough takedown of at least that part of the argument…
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by ephemeralgomi on Monday October 07, 2013 @04:50PM (#6511169)
You weren't around for DeCSS, I guess?
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by dublinben on Monday October 07, 2013 @05:41PM (#6511483)
Putting your ridiculous stipulations aside, writing legal software can get you in trouble.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/01/coder-charged-for-g...

Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by ehsanu1 on Monday October 07, 2013 @05:43PM (#6511495)
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by ballard on Monday October 07, 2013 @05:36PM (#6511441)
I think you're on the right track: there's a large gap between releasing a tool and running a service.

The difference between offering BackTrack isos for download and running live, free Backtrack VMs.

A traditional, non-distributed service is often backed by centralized entity (corporation, nonprofit or private person), so many of the consequences are directed at them. Whereas with a diffused individuals running their own, it would be harder to as easily control.

Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by trevelyan on Monday October 07, 2013 @08:30PM (#6512231)
Jacob Appelbaum works on TOR and is routinely harrassed.
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by stef25 on Monday October 07, 2013 @05:08PM (#6511291)
The rules that tomorrow's government abides by will surely be much worse (for "us") than those of today. Imagine the future being much, much shittier than it is today.
Re:Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marke... by alexkus on Monday October 07, 2013 @04:57PM (#6511207)
Cryptocat?