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Re:Mozilla bug 923590: Pledge never to implement HTML5 DRM by kemiller on Friday October 04, 2013 @01:12PM (#6496589)
Since nobody has come up with a DRM system that doesn't depend on a central service that can go away or change its terms, all DRM-based content is effectively rented. What is unethical about renting something? If you claim that your customer is "buying" something, that they will then "own", then yes, that's outright fraud. I am absolutely against that. But if it's a service, what's the big deal? You can sign up for the service or not. You don't have a supported platform? I guess you can't do it. Nothing new or surprising there. Find a different service, or find a different way to entertain yourself.

If you want to talk about the death of ownership and the rise of rental, and how that might be damaging, that's a fine an interesting topic, but I don't see how it's about ethics.

Re:Mozilla bug 923590: Pledge never to implement HTML5 DRM by AJ007 on Friday October 04, 2013 @08:42PM (#6498921)
I'll point out I have "purchased" movies and TV shows from Amazon which I can no longer watch, because they were removed from Amazon's libraries.

Online games that require validating with a central server after being downloaded? Try not to get a virus downloading a crack after the company goes under.

Re:Mozilla bug 923590: Pledge never to implement HTML5 DRM by azakai on Friday October 04, 2013 @02:43PM (#6497140)
> Since nobody has come up with a DRM system that doesn't depend on a central service that can go away or change its terms, all DRM-based content is effectively rented.

If we consider anything that works to prevent media from being copied in violation of copyright, then there is one solution that does not have a central service, and is not rent-based: watermarking.

Every purchase is watermarked for the specific customer. If they give someone else a copy, it is detectable from who they received it, so legal action is possible. But fair use is never prevented, as copying is always technically possible.

(Yes, it is possible to remove watermarks, but it is also possible to get around DRM - all of these schemes are continuously escalating arms races.)

Re:Mozilla bug 923590: Pledge never to implement HTML5 DRM by acdha on Friday October 04, 2013 @06:14PM (#6498381)
Watermarking is a great idea and I would really like to see it replace DRM snake-oil but I think the real point was simply that nobody has successfully commercialized such a service. I think there's a need but it'd require deep pockets and good negotiators to get off the ground unless you had some sort of solid all-indie play
Re:Mozilla bug 923590: Pledge never to implement HTML5 DRM by ensignavenger on Friday October 04, 2013 @06:15PM (#6498382)
What happens if I sell the content, then the purchaser distributes it? Do I then get blamed for copyright infringement?
Re:Mozilla bug 923590: Pledge never to implement HTML5 DRM by azakai on Friday October 04, 2013 @08:57PM (#6498960)
If you buy content for personal use, like you buy an episode of Game of Thrones, you aren't allowed to sell it to anyone. But you can copy it between your own devices as you see fit.
Re:Mozilla bug 923590: Pledge never to implement HTML5 DRM by ensignavenger on Friday October 04, 2013 @11:41PM (#6499297)
If you can't sell it, it isn't yours- you don't own it. (At least, according to most definitions of ownership).
Re:Mozilla bug 923590: Pledge never to implement HTML5 DRM by throwawaykf02 on Saturday October 05, 2013 @01:07AM (#6499488)
Another comment I made downthread might address this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6495063

Re:Mozilla bug 923590: Pledge never to implement HTML5 DRM by quadrangle on Friday October 04, 2013 @02:01PM (#6496892)
DRM doesn't hurt people who work around it, it ONLY restricts the people who use the service as offered! It isn't about piracy, it's about abusing customers.

http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm_digital_restric...

Re:Mozilla bug 923590: Pledge never to implement HTML5 DRM by shmerl on Friday October 04, 2013 @01:15PM (#6496604)
What's unethical is not renting, but the DRM part which always comes with it. See my answer below.