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Re:Ask HN: Who has gotten a job with absolutely no connections? by noodle on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @01:01PM (#649397)
my current job had no connections involved. in fact, i turned down a perfectly good job in favor of this one simply because it had connections involved.

i wanted the job that i earned instead of the one i was handed. but, i'm kind of hardheaded about that type of thing.

Re:Ask HN: Who has gotten a job with absolutely no connections? by sokoloff on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @01:56PM (#649504)
A job that you got via connections who know and trust your technical ability is an earned job.
Re:Ask HN: Who has gotten a job with absolutely no connections? by noodle on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @02:14PM (#649542)
sometimes yes, sometimes no. i know just as many people who've gotten jobs/contracts/etc because they shook the right hands as people who've gotten jobs because of their technical excellence.

it can be hard to know which is which sometimes.

Re:Ask HN: Who has gotten a job with absolutely no connections? by azanar on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @07:32PM (#650211)
I agree, with a caveat. It depends on who it is knowing your technical ability, and what basis they have on which to judge that.

For instance, a secretary who has a friend who is "really good with computers" who submits her resume for a job as a DBA, and that friend gets hired on the basis of that recommendation -- yes, the friend was someone I knew. I guess you could say the friend earned the job based on the criteria put forward, but not on any basis that is good for her, the company, or the DBA profession as a whole.

Re:Ask HN: Who has gotten a job with absolutely no connections? by matth2 on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @05:19PM (#650017)
It can also often be a ticket to bigger money because they'd rather pay someone they know and trust than take a risk with someone they don't.
Re:Ask HN: Who has gotten a job with absolutely no connections? by rdr on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @01:59PM (#649510)
yep i agree. it's not like you just got the job cuz your father owned the company or something outright nepotistic
Re:Ask HN: Who has gotten a job with absolutely no connections? by chris11 on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @03:59PM (#649838)
Think about it from a company's perspective. They can hire somebody because he performed well for a few hours in an interview, or they can hire somebody who performed equally well in that interview, and comes highly recommended by a respected staff member.

The staff member probably knows the applicant very well, so its basically like having the applicant be interviewed for months instead of just once. Sure the staff member could be recommending them just because he's a friend, but I'm assuming most people would not risk their reputation recommending someone who was incompetent.

So the job could have been just handed to you, or you could have actually passed the equivalent of an interview that lasted years.

Re:Ask HN: Who has gotten a job with absolutely no connections? by azanar on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @07:02PM (#650180)
"...Sure the staff member could be recommending them just because he's a friend, but I'm assuming most people would not risk their reputation recommending someone who was incompetent."

Maybe I've just been around the wrong people, but this seems the primary motivation behind the recommendation one friend would give on behalf of another. Competence never entered the picture; even when I would ask about it, I was always told "it's not what you know, it's who you know," as if to reassure themselves as much as to admonish me. In some cases, the recommendations are truly noble-minded, but never underestimate the social pressure people have to practice nepotism.

I will caveat this by saying I've been hired in one or two places where the recruitment tango started through a recommendation. One of those places, it stopped mattering as soon as the phone screen began. The other, well, the person who recommended me was the hiring manager, so I'm not sure that counts. :-)

Re:Ask HN: Who has gotten a job with absolutely no connections? by jacoblyles on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @02:31PM (#649588)
Personally, I would have picked the better of the two jobs regardless of how I got the interview.
Re:Ask HN: Who has gotten a job with absolutely no connections? by noodle on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @02:32PM (#649592)
well, to draw a better picture, they were about the same.