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Re:California’s $327 million web site in operation by timr on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @12:50PM (#6483630)
Lots of snark here; very little thoughtful commentary.

If the document that steveplace posted [1] is accurate, the budget for this program includes things like the 800+ person call center to handle consumer requests, and the staff to figure out what kinds of health plans to offer in the first place. The line item for "technical" is $161M, which is only 23% of the budget.

I'm not going to suggest that's a low number for this kind of project, but then again, it's kind of hard to make it all about the horribleness of public projects when 94% of the technical budget is going to "contractual services". It looks like the software was mostly done by private contractors.

In other words: let's not allow facts and thoughtful discourse to get in the way of a good government bashing!

[1] http://www.healthexchange.ca.gov/BoardMeetings/Documents/CHB...

Re:California’s $327 million web site in operation by bhauer on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @01:08PM (#6483734)
> In other words, it looks like the software was mostly done by private contractors.

Wait a second. Government over-spending is beyond reproach when the money is channeled to what are likely politically-connected private firms? To my mind, that is equally egregious, perhaps even moreso because of the taint of cronyism (or still worse than that, regulatory capture by entrenched large firms).

But even if I give the firm-selection process the benefit of the doubt and assume it was done without kick-backs or regulatory capture effects of any sort (seems implausible, but we'll go with that), private firms simply know that when you are bidding on government work, the budget is enormous. You're probably likely to be kicked out of the running for being un-serious if your bid is significantly less than the average bid. And the average bid is high because ... government.

I can imagine feedback of the flavor: "You think you can do this type of complex web application for a mere fifty million? Don't waste my time."

Re:California’s $327 million web site in operation by timr on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @02:25PM (#6484265)
"And the average bid is high because ... government."

I'll admit that I was skeptical when people said that "everything is different this time because ... internet!", but I think your application of the theory is much more elegant.

Re:California’s $327 million web site in operation by ethanazir on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @02:55PM (#6484449)
How much did these contractors have to spend on kick backs?
Re:California’s $327 million web site in operation by ellyagg on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @01:36PM (#6483932)
It's dumbfounding this is the top comment. If we can't be critical of government waste in this case, when can we be? It seems you don't even understand your policy opponents' position; overpaying contractors is one of the chief complaints!
Re:California’s $327 million web site in operation by arbuge on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @01:05PM (#6483713)
Well, $161m is more than 23% of $327m to start with.

The other thing is that although the government is using private contractors, that does not mean the latter are solely to blame. If the government ends up paying millions of dollars for a wordpress site sporting a $40 theme, the contractors charging for it may be immoral, but the government who awarded them the job is at best massively incompetent.

Re:California’s $327 million web site in operation by timr on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @02:14PM (#6484190)
"Well, $161m is more than 23% of $327m to start with."

Read the linked document instead of just relying on Greenspun's numbers. The $327m number he cites appears to be incorrect.

Re:California’s $327 million web site in operation by tootie on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @01:06PM (#6483722)
That's all true and the $327M price tag is misleading, but they still spent on the order of several million on the actual buildout of the website and fucked it up. It does not inspire confidence that the rest of the money was well spent.
Re:California’s $327 million web site in operation by timr on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @08:33PM (#6486378)
Yep. Because we all know that private industry never fucks anything up.
Re:California’s $327 million web site in operation by jessaustin on Sunday October 06, 2013 @07:36PM (#6505898)
Ummm, what were you expecting? He went to the site, entered some numbers, and thereby discovered the following:

...for $327 million the government purchased a computer program unable to determine that $80,000 is more than $15,856.

Is there some sophisticated interpretation that finds this not to be a risible failure? If so, you could have provided that, as it actually would have been responsive to TFA. Don't allow what TFA actually says to get in the way of a good pro-government bashing!

Re:California’s $327 million web site in operation by us0r on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @07:57PM (#6486272)
Of course it was done by private contractors.

Oh yea - in India too.