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Re:The Abomination of Ebooks: They Price People Out of Reading by Nursie on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @12:15PM (#6483358)
>> This implies that books aren't licensed but they are. The paper and glue isn't but the text is.

You own the paper book. The words are protected by copyright, sure, but that's not the same as the restrictive lease that ebooks are subject to. Very different beast.

Re:The Abomination of Ebooks: They Price People Out of Reading by jvm on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @12:36PM (#6483516)
But the reason you can't share ebooks isn't that you don't own the medium the data is inscribed on (you do), it's the fact that the only practical ways of sharing them involve copying the text, which is not allowed on traditional books or ebooks.

You are perfectly welcome to share the medium itself (e.g. the ebook reader), it just so happens that with physical books, the medium lends itself (pun intended) to sharing.

Re:The Abomination of Ebooks: They Price People Out of Reading by Nursie on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @12:43PM (#6483580)
The tech to lend or entirely transfer ebooks is clearly there (some books can be lent once for two weeks), you are operating in an environment where the vendor does not allow it.

Either way, you actually don't own the text in the same way, as amazon has demonstrated that they think they have the right to revoke your account and therefore access to the data.

Re:The Abomination of Ebooks: They Price People Out of Reading by jvm on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @03:06PM (#6484524)
> The tech to lend or entirely transfer ebooks is clearly there (some books can be lent once for two weeks), you are operating in an environment where the vendor does not allow it.

There's a mixup in terminology here. We're not talking about lending the medium the book is printed in. We're talking about copying all the words over to someone else's machine, maybe with a promise to delete it on your own machine. The thing is, the right to copy the contents of a book is restricted by copyright and can only be done with the permission of the copyright holder.

So let's rephrase this to be more precise:

> The tech to lend or entirely transfer the contents of a paper book or an ebook via copying is clearly there (some books can be lent once for two weeks), you are operating in an environment where the vendor does not allow it.

And yes, exactly. Both for print and electronic books, copying the words and sending them to somebody is not allowed without the permission of the copyright holder.

You don't have to like the system, I certainly have issues with the system as it's set up. But it's perfectly obvious that under any standard interpretation of the concept of copyright, it means that the copyright holder has exclusive rights to the copying of the content. Lending ebooks involves copying, therefore it must be licensed by the copyright holder.

Re:The Abomination of Ebooks: They Price People Out of Reading by Nursie on Thursday October 03, 2013 @10:06AM (#6488956)
Sorry, but you completely failed to address that your license can be revoked. This is far different to the paper situation.

--edit-- also the fact that you can onmly ever transfer any data in electronic form by copying is an irrelevent implementation detail. The tech is there to transfer ownership, we are simply denied it by license.

Re:The Abomination of Ebooks: They Price People Out of Reading by diminoten on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @12:33PM (#6483495)
What, specifically, makes it a different beast?
Re:The Abomination of Ebooks: They Price People Out of Reading by jrochkind1 on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @12:35PM (#6483511)
Legally, in the US, the First Sale Doctrine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
Re:The Abomination of Ebooks: They Price People Out of Reading by Nursie on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @12:39PM (#6483542)
For a start, amazon reserve the right to revoke your account take away all your ebooks!

And then the lending provisions. You could lend your kindle to someone (giving them all your books rather than just one). With a paper book you can give the book away or lend it to people in a serial fashion for however long you want. The tech is clearly there (single, two week lends) but the terms under which it operates are far more restrictive than a paper book.

--edit-- I realise that I first said ebooks and now am referring almost exclusively to amazon. It's entirely possible that other schemes could allow transfer of ownership relatively easily. I'm not aware of any that do right now, but there you are.

Re:The Abomination of Ebooks: They Price People Out of Reading by erkose on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @12:37PM (#6483530)
Books can be shared, traded, or resold.
Re:The Abomination of Ebooks: They Price People Out of Reading by yk on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @12:44PM (#6483590)
A license is a contract one side drafted and the other side did not read.
Re:The Abomination of Ebooks: They Price People Out of Reading by RougeFemme on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @03:53PM (#6484822)
. . .or read and assumed, rightly or wrongly, that they could live with the limitations of the license.