Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by chc on Monday September 30, 2013 @05:57PM
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AFAIK what Microsoft forcibly ended was a support agreement for the software. I don't see how this is less possible with FOSS. If your third-party support provider doesn't want to support some software anymore and nobody else you trust wants to either, this puts you right where those companies were vis a vis Windows XP.
Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by rcthompson on Monday September 30, 2013 @08:31PM
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That's not true. If you're using an open-source distro and the vendor terminates the support agreement, you still have the source, so you can pay a 3rd party to maintain the software for you (e.g. by backporting security fixes from newer releases).
Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by codex on Monday September 30, 2013 @09:06PM
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You can, but it will cost you 10x more to maintain the distro than it cost the original authors, and you won't be able to share the cost with many others. Worse, the cost will only increase over time. Not as dire as a closed source abandonment, but eventually you will have to upgrade.
Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by rcthompson on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @02:31AM
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You don't have to "maintain the distro" per se. You just have to backport security fixes for the subset of that distro's packages that you actually use. If you have a large organization and you only use a limited subset of the software provided by the distribution, it's not inconceivable that you might have the resources to do so.
Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by mehwoot on Monday September 30, 2013 @11:45PM
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That's simply unrealistic. It's a nice theory but if you're the only people using that software, how is it going to be cost effective to take the burden of maintaining it?
Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by kriro on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:09AM
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Well you have the same problem if the company that supplies the proprietary software goes out of business except that you are usually just flat out screwed. Granted it's unlikely that someone like Microsoft will go out of business anytime soon (but then again I'd say it's also fairly unlikely that Ubuntu disappears anytime soon and even that would leave you with a fallback option of other, similar Linux distros).
If say Windows XP just gets phased out on you that's not exactly cause for celebration either. And of course there's also the advantage that you can at least theoretically check most of the source code of Linux which is probably somewhat relevant in a government setting (a potential NSA cooperation of Microsoft says hi)
Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by rjbwork on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @12:35AM
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I see you've never encountered legacy enterprise software...
Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by vacri on Monday September 30, 2013 @06:05PM
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Sure there is, it's just smaller in magnitude. When the security updates for your distro revision stop, that's the end of that revision. Then you have upgrade costs.
Ubuntu in particular are bad at keeping things the same between (LTS) revisions - so many times when you google to fix something, there's different instructions for each of the past X releases.
Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by tedunangst on Monday September 30, 2013 @09:38PM
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Not to mention Ubuntu's definition of "long term" isn't quite the same as Microsoft's definition.
Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by hrkristian on Monday September 30, 2013 @09:24PM
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Even on my Arch Linux systems that is hardly an issue, and even when there are complications rollbacks are relatively easy to do, even system-wide.
Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by vacri on Monday September 30, 2013 @10:09PM
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How do you roll back "There are no more security updates available"?
Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by Theriac25 on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:21AM
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Uhh, in which universe are you living where Ubuntu didn't forcibly end Gnome desktop?
Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by dec0dedab0de on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @08:18AM
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You can still install Gnome just fine.
Re:French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%"
by Theriac25 on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @01:48PM
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Ok, fair enough. But I still think that the choice of the default desktop strongly suggests what most people should use, at least with a distro like Ubuntu that is supposed to be newbie-friendly.
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