BitTorrent Chat - Private instant messaging via secure, distributed technology

Re:BitTorrent Chat - Private instant messaging via secure, d... by egeozcan on Monday September 30, 2013 @05:01PM (#6472343)

I must say, I have very limited knowledge on encryption, but, can't an observer possibly encrypt many possible and likely short messages (like, "hey!" or "lol") with the public keys of some users of value and sniff the network for matches? I mean it would take a while, maybe a week, to get some results but hey, I think it's a possibility.

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Re:BitTorrent Chat - Private instant messaging via secure, d... by y0ghur7_xxx on Monday September 30, 2013 @05:11PM (#6472399)

can't an observer possibly encrypt many possible and likely short messages (like, "hey!" or "lol") with the public keys of some users of value and sniff the network for matches?

no. the same message does "never" encrypt to the same cypher:

    $ echo lol | gpg -e -r F8669BB7 --armor
    -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
    Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)
    
    hQEMA2gTLr1USDZGAQf/YbbnzHvNfdqbs6hmdmIaaiZOSfW9P6Bc8tdF4MG/JbP+
    RTxbLpi4W+vXs+WrD9jdik8KuDdZV54O1mb6Ido3xrYeEPBo0Vje2eVpgUy01VUa
    2RM76NvsX1VN9rap6KvHuO/h7IFwDuAtvUUcDyFH+qK2UEHordFi+mWKqICocQt0
    WWgpCk5BVgM/1q2c2ruWxVuZs/IMh9LQGZ1i7hpkJHAYqovhghROmGarUuJYXGDi
    s6rSMpjxbXDhPMYbbhbBI4pRhgKtN2FMlKyI3XoH+LCFHsOyBmazroVYWFu+gafH
    6LU2Z65OQyJWqX5CLdwab4qpUQdht6lqkUHRJB9xdtI/AfTFF7BbRP8PR+q9GVAe
    r4I812VmBn3hwBHJzNiFDEGVkt/IDpd6M/X2Vi0xJx0LUaICL+swPVudenPuvlnt
    =zeUd
    -----END PGP MESSAGE-----
    
    
    
    $ echo lol | gpg -e -r F8669BB7 --armor
    -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
    Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)
    
    hQEMA2gTLr1USDZGAQgAo4ZEHGWKSgwVmbC7crACvTXVtlgP4n8J/3oSohct9zrM
    SqPd4L5TWsjOh+2LlG7WQbPnpn4Tcv9c4RyPNb+1C/fWRmGhV+a3QhuC+rrus5c6
    /FPwsHTjO30N0AnCMzoXAaqDRRGw859BKazEZyxIHherU+o7wNRKrW6U1ikRd/Pu
    BwHChUZHBRmZhomrtYPbQ5cNAJQtPMj94Z8OuZeCEzPNBr3opevoMs2j+9ysOtkF
    7Cam3jTKLM3GwHSm4c7WzhdJJsXbnOn8ODYRBf++4oJChPIqeT2EssigAQuuhHlk
    pDhM40zB7hAd6MJM52cZpM3UqTe/iI4vHSrQ+pw/otI/AWY6s4aIlF5AAzoM0wAR
    FzobJ5Vbp7fBgA1SiOhEhSAdT/U2yy2jQcQN53yyX9Vqtunh3dNmCGaNNavszK8+
    =YDLc
    -----END PGP MESSAGE-----
    $

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Re:BitTorrent Chat - Private instant messaging via secure, d... by IanCal on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @03:59AM (#6474828)

As someone who doesn't know the structure of the output, what's the significance of:

    hQEMA2gTLr1USDZGAQ

At the start of each output? Is that 'lol' encrypted then followed by random bytes, or does it contain header information?

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Re:BitTorrent Chat - Private instant messaging via secure, d... by Zash on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @09:03AM (#6475794)

It's a header with a version number and the ID of the receivers key that the message was encrypted with. Base64-decode and hexdump those messages and look for 54483646 (one of the subkeys of F8669BB7). The encrypted message is after that and would look random. The format is defined in http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880

edit: It's not encrypted with the primary key, but one of the subkeys.

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Re:BitTorrent Chat - Private instant messaging via secure, d... by IanCal on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @09:50AM (#6476087)

Interesting, thanks for the overview. I'll have a poke around the doc :) I've been meaning to look into more about how these things work. I understand the very high level stuff and the very low level (how to use the tools roughly and some of the maths behind it all) but not so much in-between.

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Re:BitTorrent Chat - Private instant messaging via secure, d... by xerophtye on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @06:34AM (#6475247)

While cryptography does teach us that some methods are weak against such attacks, but since they are using asymmetric crypto, that means each of my messages would be encypted with the RECIPIENT's public key. thus you really dont know WHICH messages are encrypted with teh same key. thus you can't apply such an attack.

PS: i think asymmetric crypto is secure from such attacks anyways, though isn't that way slower than symmetric crypto?

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Re:BitTorrent Chat - Private instant messaging via secure, d... by StavrosK on Monday September 30, 2013 @05:11PM (#6472398)

Encryption isn't hashing. The same block would encrypt to a very large number of ciphertexts.

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