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Re:Day 180: Finished by joe_computer on Sunday September 29, 2013 @12:53AM (#6464172)
Paul Graham is gay -- is not derogatory unless you think being gay is wrong; it's simply factually inaccurate. Like saying, "Harry Potter is in Ravenclaw." Which is offensive if you have a prejudice against Ravenclaws.
Re:Day 180: Finished by jamesaguilar on Sunday September 29, 2013 @01:32AM (#6464237)
I assume you are aware that when someone claims that someone else is homosexual, when that isn't actually true, 90%+ of the time it is meant as a derogatory statement, and should be interpreted as such regardless of the listener's gender politics. Unless you actually believe that all the children in online video games using this same terminology aren't actually malicious, just factually inaccurate. In which case I have a bridge to sell you.
Re:Day 180: Finished by reginaldjcooper on Sunday September 29, 2013 @01:38AM (#6464247)
Of course the GP knows that, and he is rejecting the use as an insult and substituting the idea that someone attempting that is saying something nonsensical; "wow this water sure is dry". I think it's awesome.
Re:Day 180: Finished by jamesaguilar on Sunday September 29, 2013 @02:17AM (#6464313)
To me it just sounds like someone being needlessly difficult and nit-picky, which we have plenty of on this site without pretending that connotation doesn't exist.
Re:Day 180: Finished by nekopa on Sunday September 29, 2013 @03:08AM (#6464400)
Yes, it can be seen as nit-picky, but I don't think the person is pretending the connotation doesn't exist. Maybe they're just trying to start the long process of de-teething that connotation so that in maybe 50 years saying someone is gay might actually mean, once again, that they are extremely happy.

It's a next to impossible task, like the people who would like to reclaim the swastika back to its original peaceful meaning, but it's great to try.

Re:Day 180: Finished by arrrg on Sunday September 29, 2013 @04:09AM (#6464505)
It seems to me that it is more important to speak out against the use of “gay” as an insult and to denounce those who do so as homophobic.
Re:Day 180: Finished by joe_computer on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @03:50PM (#6478644)
I wasn't trying to be nit-picky, as nekopa discerned. I am aware of the derogatory connotation and choosing to dismiss the homophobic person by treating them like an ignorant child. I've rarely seen argument ever convince someone they're wrong; Instead, I do not legitimize their bigotry and save myself valuable time.

Like a person using a racial slur -- they immediately demonstrate the quality of their character.

Re:Day 180: Finished by nyan_sandwich on Sunday September 29, 2013 @01:09AM (#6464194)
>Like saying, "Harry Potter is in Ravenclaw."

Well actually... In a certain really good HP fanfiction, Harry Potter is in fact a Ravenclaw.

http://hpmor.com

Re:Day 180: Finished by cgag on Sunday September 29, 2013 @04:11AM (#6464510)
I just want to second that this book is great. Ignore any negative inclination you feel because it's called fan fiction. It's fanfiction the way John Gardner's Grendel is Beowulf fanfiction.
Re:Day 180: Finished by joe_computer on Sunday September 29, 2013 @04:35PM (#6466417)
You read my mind. I was thinking of HPMOR when I wrote the comment.
Re:Day 180: Finished by hawkharris on Sunday September 29, 2013 @10:45AM (#6465281)
That's an interesting argument. It reminds me of Louis C.K.'s routine about how "no words are bad, but they become bad because people start using them to hurt other people."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcja4WFFzDw

It's exciting to think we can take words like "gay," which are used in some contexts to hurt people, and strip away their negative connotations.

Having said that, I don't see any evidence to suggest that the commenter was trying to innovate on the term. He or she should have written, "PAUL GRAHAM IS GAY, WHICH ISN'T TRUE, BUT IF IT WERE TRUE, IT WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIS CHARACTER OR VALUE AS A PERSON."

But then again, I guess if you're writing in all caps, you must be very angry and in a hurry. Probably didn't have time to deal with nuances.

Re:Day 180: Finished by joe_computer on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @03:55PM (#6478669)
I didn't write the original comment on the site. I was just commenting on the response to it. In two separate discussions of the use of "gay," people brought up the Louis CK clip. He's also one of my favourite comics and it tickled me that disparate people had the exact same line of reasoning.