I can't delete your post from Hacker News. Therefore by your logic it's also intrusive crapware.

Sigh.

Aah. You don't pay to come here, and it's not your property. It's a public forum, which by definition has comments from people which you might or might not like :). Here, only the comments which public on the whole like should be there - and that is already the case - if majority doesn't like it, it'll automatically get suppressed. A phone is a different thing - it's a personal property. Only the things you like should be there on your phone. If that's not the case, it's bad - now favoring one more intrusive crapware and cursing a less intrusive one because of a bias, is bad.

Anyway, you completely missed the point of my comment :).

> Only the things you like should be there on your phone.

Moral of the story: don't live in the USA.

Or, just buy an unlocked (carrier free) phone, rooted. That's what I do.

Whatever. I just can't argue with a person that believes an ad is the same as a built-in functionality. I can't understand what kind of logic and thinking is going in your head, really.

Well, you can still order pizza trhu the "ad" app. so let's call that built-in functionality as well, shall we?

How about we call it what it is. Advertising. However you frame it, it's advertising. Is it useful? Who cares. It's advertising. Order a pizza using the app and your telco gets paid. Twice. Being able to remove Apple's built in apps is besides the point. Yes, it's mildly irritating that this can't be done, but it's not the same thing. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

So if a site shows ads for its sister sites it's less intrusive then an ad for a pizza?

What has that got to do with anything? We are talking about an app! Not a blockable ad on a webpage FFS.

no one has paid apple to do that. It is not an advertisement. It is more of like internet explorer built in. Whereas undeletable advertisement bookmark is like having a unchangable wallpaper by some third party.

No. Undeleteable advertisement bookmark is just like an undeleteable advertisement bookmark. It's NOT like an unchangeable wallpaper. Bookmark is not always in your eyes - even when you are using the browser! I am surprised that so many iOS fans have trouble understanding it. The unwanted Apple apps, on the other hand, are ALWAYS in your eyes. You understand the difference now?