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Re:The Banality of Systemic Evil by zanny on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @09:04AM (#6437580)
I like to have romanticized views about the potential for a critical intellectuals review of our social strata and peaceful transition into whatever we deem more effective, but then I step outside my home and talk to anyone in my age group (I'm 22, so 18 - 26) and I am not conversing with enlightened anti-establishment intellectuals, I am conversing with zombies glued to smartphones chugging Starbucks.

We criticize the baby boomers for being distracted by TV, but I think gen Y is going to prove themselves even more easily distracted, especially considering how shitty their outlook is if they have a whole-scope outlook on the world they live in. It sucks, it has very limited avenues for improvement, and all angles point towards further problems. Why worry when you can distract yourself with trite banality?

Re:The Banality of Systemic Evil by kijin on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @09:58AM (#6437874)
Intellectual ability and political interest probably follow a normal distribution, so it's not surprising that the majority of any age group prefers distraction to active political engagement. Intellectuals complain about "sheeple" in every time and place, after all. For every Snowden, a million young people happily divulge their entire lives on Facebook and don't care whether NSA is reading it. Doesn't matter, because we don't need a million Snowdens. The only thing that matters is a statistical anomaly that distinguishes the next generation from the last on election day.

Every kid who tweets about her 9th-grade teacher's inappropriate joke is a whistleblower in the making. 0.001% of them might go on to work for a three-letter agency, and 0.001% of those who do might eventually leak something incriminating. Then some men in black will go through her school records and find that she's had a long-standing "problem with authority". Who knows? Even Snowden, until 2009, believed that whistleblowers should be shot in the balls [1].

Subtle, deeply ingrained assumptions like "the Government says so, so it must be true" or "white men are more trustworthy than blacks" only show up in large-scale aggregate data. It might be so un-obvious that a whole generation of sociologists could make a living studying the tip of the mysterious iceberg. But that's how societies change all the time, it will have tangible political consequences in the long term, and that's all I'm hoping for.

[1] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/exclusive-in-2009...

Re:The Banality of Systemic Evil by rayiner on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @09:41AM (#6437756)
> I step outside my home and talk to anyone in my age group (I'm 22, so 18 - 26) and I am not conversing with enlightened anti-establishment intellectuals, I am conversing with zombies glued to smartphones chugging Starbucks.

I'm sure you're wonderful to be around at parties!

Re:The Banality of Systemic Evil by badman_ting on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @10:20AM (#6438027)
Anyone who says this probably doesn't even go to parties. Really tired of seeing it.
Re:The Banality of Systemic Evil by damon_c on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @09:45AM (#6437775)
Sounds like you two should meet up for a coffee sometime.
Re:The Banality of Systemic Evil by rayiner on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @10:08AM (#6437957)
I like to think of myself as an establishment intellectual (glued to my smartphone while chugging Starbucks).
Re:The Banality of Systemic Evil by atlanticus on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @09:58AM (#6437876)
Sadly, if you believe in evolution and market forces we are on the optimal path.
Re:The Banality of Systemic Evil by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @02:02PM (#6439590)
Which is a very good reason not to believe in market forces.
Re:The Banality of Systemic Evil by atlanticus on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @04:02PM (#6440345)
Like evolution, market forces are there whether you believe in them or not.
Re:The Banality of Systemic Evil by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday September 24, 2013 @04:12PM (#6440426)
I meant capital-B BELIEVE. The point being that just because some forces you artificially walk in and deem "natural forces" have brought us to a certain situation doesn't mean that situation is "perfect" or "optimal". To the extent that evolution and market forces are actually real forces and not political constructs (coughcoughcoughSocialDarwinismcoughcoughFreeTradecoughcoughcough), they are merely forces, not criteria.

In fact, a fairly good definition of "civilization" would be "a bloc of people who have organized themselves so as to overpower natural forces and configure their lives in accordance with their own preferences/values/criteria".

TL;DR: I don't go around claiming hurricanes are "optimal", so neither are market crashes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1999/03/the-mark...